@herewegoagain

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I don't recall the last time I heard a user ask "what's the SpecInt2000"? when making a computer purchase. The most common questions are how many Gigahertz is it? How much RAM? What hard drive size? DVD-RW 16X Dual Layer? I hardly think this CPU would perform so poorly that everyone longs for their old 060 again.

Funny that the laptop PC sales will have >50 percent of the market share in Q1 2008 and it's lower clocked than Pentium IV 3Ghz...

Anyway, AMD64 was gaining market share against its clock speed bias competitor i.e. Intel's Pentium IV. AMD was stomped with lower clocked Core 2...

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@CodeSmith

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it looks like its founder was the head designer for the DEC Alpha

@hans

Great job, that was what I seemed to remember.

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hello,

I know nothing about cpu best than the other. My wish is to have a new amiga PPC for running AOS4 on (mean all working together for the amiga futur).

-I would like to use linux and maybe a mac emulator on the new amiga for the missing softwares (firefox, excel or word applications for example).

-The fact that having a low power consuption, and small heat inside the computer is verry important for me.

-I hope more than 1GHZ (1.2 to 1.4) is enough for that.

-I think a PCI express recent graphic card could help a lot.

-1go of ram semmed for me enough.

After the others specifications for me are details because my wish is really to see a new computer arrive with AOS4 of hyperion on that mean a gain ainc, hyperion, acube, ack,...... working together !!!!!!.

As you could see, I'm interested by a high end amiga PPC with AOS4 of hyperion ON. The prize for me isn't a problem because I'm waiting after the new computer with AOS4 on since years.

bye.

Thanks to ack for discuss with all, hyperion, ainc, acube, .... MUST DO the same.

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Am I the only one thinking that these new boards are just vapor to strengthen AInc case at the court ?

I won't believe any of this bull* until it's up here running on my desktop.

And, even if they did produce the board, how long do you think it will take to write the OS for it ? I think it will take a long, LONG time. If you think OS4 can be ported to this quickly, sorry but you're just dreaming. Also there's the problem that AInc doesn't have the OS4 sources, AFAIK.

@coze

this is from the ack chat-thread and is regarding the low end system.

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[08:48:35] Cav ack: are the computers debugged and ready to go? [08:48:39] ###ACKCONTROLS### Developer systems will be ready to ship to the select devs mid May'ish.

So I guess you will find out soon.

(had to remove > < from around "Cav" since it would be interpreted as a html-tag otherwize)

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@ackcontrls
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Nothing is going to make DrBombcrater or ShadowWolf happy, unless they want OS4 on x86. So it's really not worth discussing anything with them. Adam

That's a pretty sad way to argue.

And you are all not listening.

To make it clear, I would love to see a board with either the PA-6T or the MPC8641
becoming available to run OS4 with.

That does not change the facts though that these CPU were designed for
embedded applications and that it takes a lot of money to design a board around them.
Plus that these are still not available apart from samples.

@CodeSmith

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You're falling into the familiar trap of comparing artificial benchmarks across cpu architectures. PPC and x86 instruction sets are so different that the only benchmarks that really count are wall-clock ones. I'd like to see comparisons of say the time it takes to do a ray trace, or to encode a certain piece of music into MP3. Then we can do meaningful comparisons.

Just recycle LAME encoder and Cinebench benchmarks.

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Wide range available? There are just a handful of NB chips than can talk Hypertransport, and in any case you're constrained by the 2000MT/s bandwidth so you can't just keep adding peripherals. The description of PCI express support is a bit confusing, but it sounds like you get what most x86 NBs give you: 1x16 and a few more lanes split between x8, x4, x2 and x1. Sure, you don't get 2x16 Crossfire support, but I think only one NB from NVidia supports that.

In relation to "only one NB from NVidia supports that"... AMD's (CrossFire) Xpress 3200 chipset (aka RD580) supports dual 16X PEG. AMD's RD580 supports up to 40 PCI-Express lanes. RD580 connects to AMD64 CPU via HTT.

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@CodeSmith

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CodeSmith wrote: @Shadowolf Oh, come on. You're splitting hairs here. What would you say is missing for the PASemi 1682M to be used as the basis for a "desktop system"? Just about the only thing I can come up with is "it won't run Windows"

...and that's probably the major reason to why "Desktop" isn't listed as a suitable area of use on their webpage!

@debrun

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No, wait... I'm serious. What WILL we run with all this power?

Well, when using simple mail, the mail will open up *really fast*! Oh wait, they already do at 400MHz...

A valid question IMHO, especially at prices of $1500. Developers compiling stuff would naturally want this. A couple of "Powser Users" as well, just for the sake of it. But then?

Amiga's strength is running fine on *low power* hardware. That's where it can compete, that's where it has its home. An Amiga OS running on some *cheap* 400MHz hardware together with Hollywood, now that could be a *real* commercial product (the first in an Amiga context for a *very* long time)...

@takemehomegrandma

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Amiga OS running on some *cheap* 400MHz hardware together with Hollywood, now that could be a *real* commercial product (the first in an Amiga context for a *very* long time)...

Yes, that would / could be a killer ! Here's hoping for someone to put that to market as a complete solution for cable companies, kiosks etc....

Martin

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Annother thing that just got to me.

What gfx-card is one supposed to use with a system like this?

A PCI Radeon?

What PCIe x16 cards are available that would at least work with 2D accelaration?

It's not like ATI or NVIDIA are supplying any information about cards
after the Radeon series.

@herewegoagain

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Within the scope of the Amiga OS, this is the best CPU option bar none.

I don't agree. OS4 is a non-SMP 32-bit OS, and even if you manage to get it run on *one* of the two cores somehow (thus ignoring the other), you would end up paying 100% of $1500 for a machine that you will use to 50% of its potential. I fail to see how this could be "the best CPU option"...

But wasn't there a single-core version also?

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@CodeSmith

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CodeSmith wrote: @herewegoagain Sorry if I'm starting to sound like Helgis, but this has me pretty excited. I fervently hope that the Amiga Inc/Hyperion squabble doesn't f*k this up.

Some people seem to have an attitude of "they have some kind of disagreement, but that's probably nothing really, and hopefully it will get solved soon enough anyway so we all can move forward again".

I'll tell you what, this is more than "a squabble", it's pretty darn *fundamental*! Maybe it was a squabble sometime back in 2003. Then it became a conflict, then it became a war. A few weeks ago, the war went *nuclear*, and the massive clouds you see blowing in from the sea is not the regular clouds you are used to, but radioactive clouds consisting of dust and ashes of what once was Hyperion VOF, and as they cover up the sun, a nuclear winter will fall over the OS4 community. That's what happens right now.

takemehomegrandma:
"But wasn't there a single-core version also?"

Yes, but neither the single-core, nor dual-core will be
"faster than anything PowerPC Apple ever produced"
so I think we must see a quad-core PA Semi, thus paying
1500 USD and using 25%..

Talk about buying a Ferrari and never go from second gear..

@ironfist

But having multi-core boards with OS4 running on them allows the OS4 devs to start laying the groundwork for SMP support in a future version.

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@takemehomegrandma

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I'll tell you what, this is more than "a squabble", it's pretty darn *fundamental*! Maybe it was a squabble sometime back in 2003. Then it became a conflict, then it became a war. A few weeks ago, the war went *nuclear*, and the massive clouds you see blowing in from the sea is not the regular clouds you are used to, but radioactive clouds consisting of dust and ashes of what once was Hyperion VOF, and as they cover up the sun, a nuclear winter will fall over the OS4 community. That's what happens right now.

The general tone on here over the past week has been quite melodromatic, but that post takes the cake.

takemehomegrandma:
Spot on!

@xeron

By concept, Amiga can't be SMP. Forcing SMP into the picture will break Amiga.

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@jahc

Thank you!

@ackcontrls

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On Monday you will see the actual specification for the board. Most designs lately with high ball count need at least 8 layers, some 10....12 isn't a stretch, especially in the telecommunications industry. Also, the ball count at 1156 isn't much higher than the ball count of the Tsi108/109/110, which is only a host bridge. For all the functionality in this chip, the overal ball count is reduced, along with total component count.

How many layers does your board(s) have ?

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