@koan

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koan wrote: @wolfe Quote: But AI can't develope OS 4 to make OS 5 (or whatever) because Hyperion hasn't turned over a copy of the code, binaries... At one time, AI said that OS 5 was totally new and not dependent on OS 4. Now they are saying that OS 5 is totally dependent on OS 4. But, how can you be working "for 2 years" on software that is totally dependent on something you don't have ?

Hmm.. You might want to ask OS4 developers that question too. They worked on OS4 for nearly a year without the ExecSG kernel (wasn't the number 11 months stated in an interview?). They used 3.9 to test the bits and pieces of code long before it ran all together with the new kernel.

@koan

You don't think AI has an A1, developer kit etc. . . How better to follow the progress of an investment ?

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@linnar

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And what? I can't se anything what happening on inside Amiga Inc. in the article !?

I don't see that either - who knows, maybe it's because there isn't anything happening?
Well, except for McEwen sitting between some cardboard boxes and having a phone call with their lawyers and the major of Kent now and then.

I take it that your belief is that McEwen and the "other employee" are busy coding OS5, right?

@Cool_amigaN

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Cool_amigaN wrote: @linnar Quote: linnar wrote: @Rob Sorry, but Hyperion don't win! lol, I like your style! How you can be so sure about the outcome of the trial? Hmm, lately too many people foresee the future!

I'm so tired on all this Hyperion-lovers (I like Hyperion to but to the normal way).
But it's mutch tru in that Amiga Inc win on one or other way to the last.

One way:
I think Amiga Inc go forward slowly and with many new fact in the cort. If it take to
long time it's be a expensive court and Hyperion go bankrupt.

Other way:
If Hyperion win, Amiga must do somthing radical movement to bring it hom
again. I think Amiga Inc buy Hyperion.

I speculate, I dont now exactly some all other here...

If we all use the brain than we understand that Amiga Inc fight for survive. And
Pentti and other cant lose the invested money. They fight to the bitter end. The
bitter end is for Hyperion. Hyperion don't have the money to fight to hard. Before
"to the end" Hyperion dropp the case for a survive.

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hatschi wrote: @linnar Quote: And what? I can't se anything what happening on inside Amiga Inc. in the article !? I don't see that either - who knows, maybe it's because there isn't anything happening? Well, except for McEwen sitting between some cardboard boxes and having a phone call with their lawyers and the major of Kent now and then. I take it that your belief is that McEwen and the "other employee" are busy coding OS5, right?

Maybe You have right!
I and other don't now....

If Bill McEwen lie so big, have Adam ACK get money to lie to?
I don't think so!

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If Hyperion win, Amiga must do somthing radical movement to bring it hom again. I think Amiga Inc buy Hyperion.

Nope, they just can’t bought something that is not for sale, Hyperion just like Amiga Inc is a privately owned company. And since Bill claimed that they offered $2m for OS4 to Hyperion and this proposal was rejected (?) then they must higher their bet. But do you seriously believe that they are in position to invest $4m or $5m to buy Hyperion and additional $2m in order to pay off OS4 developers?

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And what? I can't se anything what happening on inside Amiga Inc. in the article !?

@hatschi
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I don't see that either - who knows, maybe it's because there isn't anything happening? Well, except for McEwen sitting between some cardboard boxes and having a phone call with their lawyers and the major of Kent now and then. I take it that your belief is that McEwen and the "other employee" are busy coding OS5, right?

have you forgot the amiga india?.... there are 50 or more people down there working hard to bring us aos5.0 as we speak.... ack will soon bring us new hw you know...

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@linnar

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If Bill McEwen lie so big, have Adam ACK get money to lie to? I don't think so!

me dont think so either *said in high pitched foreign Indian english voice*

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@ackcontrls

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ackcontrls wrote: @kirka and everyone, A bunch of stuff is getting shipped out this week: 1) Chris's board will go out on Monday, and he should have it on Tuesday or Wednesday. 2) I'm just waiting on a few case parts for Ivan's machine that were damaged when the machine was shipped to me, but he'll have it this week. 3) Kneedeep's board will go out around mid-week. 4) Cash flow has improved and the issue with Jens will be finalized within a couple weeks. Adam

Its good to see that this thread has helped inspire action. That said, besides those who have so far stepped forward do you similarly hold the hardware (and/or money) of any other of our brothers and sisters? We would like resolution for anyone else not yet named from our community please, should there be any others.

On #4 if cash flow has improved to get him his connector samples back are we to take it that it has improved enough to produce the developer boards for the new Amigas as well? Or is that project on hold?

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@fairlanefastback

and there shouldn't be any problem to show a couple of picture of the hardware now.... or is it another catastrophe waiting to happen?

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@herewegoagain

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This is sort of like the Red/Blue wars. Not everyone had a side, and most didn't want a side, just end user products.

Yes OS4 on SAM and/or Efika, all existing products, pronto would be nice. Also the OS4 that runs on PowerPC MacMini, also inviting. All could be had now, if only.

OS4/5? on ACK hardware, thats a damn muddy question.

I'd be just as willing to get a solution from ACK and Amiga, unfortunately, none exists. Following where end user products exists seems to head down the Hyperion/Acube/Genesi path, rather than the Amiga/ACK one at the moment.

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d0c wrote: @fairlanefastback and there shouldn't be any problem to show a couple of picture of the hardware now.... or is it another catastrophe waiting to happen?

It would be nice to see. I'm first hoping these people get their stuff back, and that it works when they do. And if it dosen't for any of them I sure hope the company refunds any monies taken. Having someone's hardware from 2004 was mind-blowing to read. But I'm very glad this thread has proceeded this long as that person only recently came forward. So its served a very noble purpose.

I think photos would help to accelarate the healing process with the community, making right with existng customers is a good first step though.

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d0c wrote: @linnar Quote: If Bill McEwen lie so big, have Adam ACK get money to lie to? I don't think so! me dont think so either *said in high pitched foreign Indian english voice*

I'm sorry if I write funny.... (I'm not a Indian).

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@linnar

sorry for the mixup... after all the amiga inc and indian working on aos5.0 talk, i got confused...

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@fairlanefastback

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I think photos would help to accelarate the healing process with the community, making right with existng customers is a good first step though.

It's true!

However, let us guess how ACK's harware like!


Model 500 built in to the keyboard, like a small-scale Amiga 500 or 1200.

Model 1500 like a Amiga 4000

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d0c wrote: @linnar sorry for the mixup... after all the amiga inc and indian working on aos5.0 talk, i got confused...

No worry, I like joke's!

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YES!, lets hope it got a 600/800mhz option, build in gfx,sound and network card at least, so it will be a cheap start to get back into new amiga

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@d0c

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d0c wrote: @linnar YES!, lets hope it got a 600/800mhz option, build in gfx,sound and network card at least, so it will be a cheap start to get back into new amiga

Yes!

Edit:
YES!!

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hatschi wrote: I don't see that either - who knows, maybe it's because there isn't anything happening? Well, except for McEwen sitting between some cardboard boxes and having a phone call with their lawyers and the major of Kent now and then.

IMO, this is now bordering on trolling. You are repeating a description of an incident as if it happened only yesterday. The reporter was at the offices TWO MONTHS AGO! This 'visit' occurred just a week or so after AInc(Current) started renting said offices, and was a very apt description of a small company JUST MOVING IN! I would suggest you try moving stuff from one place to another (possibly even cross-country) without using cardboard boxes. Not to mention, many of the boxes could've been due to stuff being delivered. Even new servers are delivered in cardboard boxes.

As to the "old computers" described in the article, um, the AInc(Old) that got kicked out of their offices a few years ago actually had "real" Amigas. I dare you to find a "new" 4000.

Note - shouting is intentional.

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syrtran wrote: @hatschi IMO, this is now bordering on trolling. You are repeating a description of an incident as if it happened only yesterday. The reporter was at the offices TWO MONTHS AGO! This 'visit' occurred just a week or so after AInc(Current) started renting said offices, and was a very apt description of a small company JUST MOVING IN! I would suggest you try moving stuff from one place to another (possibly even cross-country) without using cardboard boxes. Not to mention, many of the boxes could've been due to stuff being delivered. Even new servers are delivered in cardboard boxes. As to the "old computers" described in the article, um, the AInc(Old) that got kicked out of their offices a few years ago actually had "real" Amigas. I dare you to find a "new" 4000. Note - shouting is intentional.

I think its pretty clear its mentioned in the article to illustrate how it does not fit the expected presentation, recent move-in our not, that a firm making a $10 million deal, just for naming rights, not for any other operations towards core business issues, would have. As for your inference of what they may have needed to move "cross country", Cecilia's visit to 167 Madison Avenue was pretty telling that chances are there was nothing there to need to be moved. You must bear in mind that Amiga touted themselves to Kent as "the world's premier provider of multi-media enabling technologies" "and today is the third most recognized brand in Europe." Both are lies IMO and I see little way for anyone to defend those stories. Indeed even Bill retreated when pressed on the brand recognition story he had fed Kent saying he thought he had read it in some unnamed magazine in the past, how far past, is unknown.

Oh and when you do an office move you generally hire movers. They lay everything out where it needs to go, firms purporting to have a lot less money do it all the time.

Its not exactly fair to cry "small company" after they worked to not look like one. In one city council meeting at the time a member related that Bill had said that his company had had something to do with the game Frogger being made, this and all the rest, of course the newspaper is going to focus on it and of course people here are going to take note of it and repeat it.

If they were claiming to be small maybe I'd see your point. Lets also not forget they claim to have 50 to 60 employees in India through ADI and a London Office (which we now suspect is a contractor's house - Fleecy). Additionally lets not forget that Bill claims OS5 is shaping up to be better than Apple OS X, yet no one at ADI is involved as per Bill himself, meaning they in essence even claim to have others working on that product somewhere. Again, not the picture of small that they paint here. They bring this scrutiny on themselves IMHO.

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