I finally managed to get the possibility of downloading OS 4.0 Final and as I have seen other users that make it,can I install OS 4.0 Final and update@4 at the same time?

How can I run these two versions both at the same time?

Help is aprecciated.

Last edited by newlight on 02-Oct-2007 at 05:55 PM.
Last edited by newlight on 01-Oct-2007 at 02:55 PM.

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@newlight

Yes you can. I reccomend tracking down articles on intutionbase.com and whatever else there are as I will only briefly detail it here. I just set up one but it needs tweaking with my startup.

What you will need to do is create an Update #4 kickstart directory on your "Final" boot partition. It can only load kickstarts from one volume AFAIK when I tried it. I created one in the root. Now, you will have to edit your Kicklayout file in the Kickstart drawer. By copying from the Update 4 layout (recommended) or reworking a copy of the Final one you will have to make a new config for Update 4 referring to where you put the files. As as example I have supplied my layout file so you can se how it's done.

Now all you need is another bootable partition for Update 4. Which you can then install it into or copy it across form a backup as I did. You might need to use MediaToolbox here. And set the priority so the volume (usually Final) you want to boot normally does first.

Finally, once you have set it up, you should be able to select your Update 4 entry to boot off it in the UBoot menu. Now, it gets a bit trcky, as to the best of my knowledge you still need to select the Update 4 volume to boot from. So, when the Update 4 kernel has loaded, go the the early boot menu and select the Update 4 volume to boot from. Good luck! Others might be able to clarify more on this.


; Configuration name
LABEL AmigaOS4.0
; Exec name
EXEC Kickstart/loader
;
; PPC native modules
;
MODULE Kickstart/kernel
MODULE Kickstart/FastFileSystem
MODULE Kickstart/SmartFilesystem
MODULE Kickstart/a1floppy.device.kmod
;MODULE Kickstart/a1ide.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/battclock.resource.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/biosversion.resource.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/bootmenu.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/CDFileSystem
MODULE Kickstart/con-handler.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/console.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/diskboot.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/diskboot.config
MODULE Kickstart/diskcache.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/dos.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/elf.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/env-handler.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/FileSystem.resource.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/gadtools.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/gameport.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/graphics.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/hunk.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/input.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/intuition.library.kmod
;MODULE Kickstart/it8212ide.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/keyboard.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/keymap.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/layers.library.kmod
;MODULE Kickstart/lsi53c8xx.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/newlib.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/nonvolatile.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/nvram.resource.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/ps2.resource.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/ram-handler.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/ramdrive.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/ramlib.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/shell.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/sii0680ide.device.kmod
;MODULE Kickstart/sii3112ide.device.kmod
;MODULE Kickstart/sii3114ide.device.kmod
;MODULE Kickstart/sii3512ide.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/strap.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/timer.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/rtg.library
MODULE Kickstart/PCIGraphics.card
MODULE Kickstart/ATIRadeon.chip
MODULE Kickstart/3dfxVoodoo.chip
MODULE Kickstart/petunia.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/usbresource.library
MODULE Kickstart/usbsys.device
MODULE Kickstart/uhci.usbhcd
MODULE Kickstart/hub.usbfd
MODULE Kickstart/bootmouse.usbfd
MODULE Kickstart/bootkeyboard.usbfd

;Update #4
; Default --- No debug kernel / JIT
;
; Configuration name
LABEL Update #4
; Exec name
EXEC Update4/loader
;
; PPC native modules
;
MODULE Update4/kernel
MODULE Update4/FastFileSystem
MODULE Update4/SmartFilesystem
MODULE Update4/a1ide.device.kmod
MODULE Update4/battclock.resource.kmod
MODULE Update4/bootmenu.kmod
MODULE Update4/CDFileSystem
MODULE Update4/con-handler.kmod
MODULE Update4/console.device.kmod
MODULE Update4/diskboot.kmod
MODULE Update4/diskboot.config
MODULE Update4/diskcache.library.kmod
MODULE Update4/dos.library.kmod
MODULE Update4/elf.library.kmod
MODULE Update4/env-handler.kmod
MODULE Update4/FileSystem.resource.kmod
MODULE Update4/gadtools.library.kmod
MODULE Update4/gameport.device.kmod
MODULE Update4/graphics.library.kmod
MODULE Update4/input.device.kmod
MODULE Update4/intuition.library.kmod
MODULE Update4/keyboard.device.kmod
MODULE Update4/keymap.library.kmod
MODULE Update4/layers.library.kmod
MODULE Update4/nonvolatile.library.kmod
MODULE Update4/nvram.resource.kmod
MODULE Update4/ps2.resource.kmod
MODULE Update4/ram-handler.kmod
MODULE Update4/ramdrive.device.kmod
MODULE Update4/ramlib.kmod
MODULE Update4/shell.kmod
MODULE Update4/sii0680ide.device.kmod
MODULE Update4/sii3112ide.device.kmod
MODULE Update4/sii3114ide.device.kmod
MODULE Update4/sii3512ide.device.kmod
MODULE Update4/strap.kmod
MODULE Update4/timer.device.kmod
;
; Legacy library glue code
;
;
; 68k modules
;
;
; Resident P96
;
MODULE Update4/rtg.library
MODULE Update4/PCIGraphics.card
MODULE Update4/ATIRadeon.chip
MODULE Update4/3dfxVoodoo.chip
;
; Petunia
;
MODULE Update4/petunia.library.kmod

Last edited by Hypex on 01-Oct-2007 at 03:18 PM.

@newlight

Merge the kickstart layout of OS4 final whit OS4 update 4.

Edit the paths of every line so that SLB can find the correct modules,

For example put os4 kickstart files in Sys:Kickstart/final
And update 4 kickstart files in Sys:Kickstart/update4

OS4 Update 4 should be the primary boot partition, set the boot priority above final.

Create an empty text file called boot in kickstart drawer, enter the device name of OS final partition,
DO NOT PRESS ENTER, save the file, add a module in the kickstart layout for oS4 final, which loads this file on boot up, magicly the device name entered in to the text file has where hi boot priority, despite whats defined in “Media ToolBox”, sorry to say Update 4, dos not support this trick, if some thing goes wrong boot from OS4 install CD, and try again, and please do keep backups!

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@Hypex
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Now, it gets a bit trcky, as to the best of my knowledge you still need to select the Update 4 volume to boot from.

@NutsAboutAmiga
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Create an empty text file called boot in kickstart drawer

You should read Documentation/Kickstart/bootmenu.doc on the OS4Final CD,
the last paragraph, which starts with
Quote:

Predefining the default boot device in the KickLayout file ----------------------------------------------------------

@TetiSoft

All right I understand more or less but is it risky to do such thing?

Can you all be more concrete about the Kickstart configuration?

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@newlight

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All right I understand more or less but is it risky to do such thing?

The out-of-the-box harddisk has enough space for dozends of boot partitions.
Creating some more partitions for testing is harmless.
Even when you manage to misconfigure your harddisk partitions or KickLayout
files or Kickstart drawers, you can still boot from an OS4 install CD
and readjust the boot priorities or reinstall the old Kickstart or
KickLayout files from your backups.

Or in other words, with enough backups nothing is risky :)

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Can you all be more concrete about the Kickstart configuration?

- Make sure you have the latest SLB installed.
- Understand that SLB will always read the KickLayout file from the
partition with the highest boot priority, and that it cant read
files from another partition but it can read files from subdirectories.
- Create subdirectories in the Kickstart drawer of the partition with
the highest boot priority, store the different kickstart modules there.
- Adjust the KickLayout file to reference the different subdirectories
in different sections with different names.
- Dont forget that older versions of bootmenu dont support the BootDevice
feature as documented in Documentation/Kickstart/bootmenu.doc, which implies
that its a good idea to store the old Workbench files on the same partition
as the kickstart modules and the new Workbench files on a different partition
which is referenced in the BootDevice file of the matching Kickstart subdirectory.
- When this is too complicated for you, then dont fiddle with KickLayout,
fiddle with the boot priorities of the bootable partitions instead, with
Media Toolbox.

@TetiSoft

OK so adjusting the boot priorities of OS 4.0 Final and update#4 is enough?

OS 4.0 Final higher than update#4?

If I can do it this way I prefer than editing the KickLayout.
Can I do the two partitions with Media Toolbox and make OS 4.0 Final bootable with update#4 on other partition?

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@newlight

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OK so adjusting the boot priorities of OS 4.0 Final and update#4 is enough?

Yes

Quote:

OS 4.0 Final higher than update#4?

Yes. Don't forget to add the July 2007 update to Final, though, if you want to be current.

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Can I do the two partitions with Media Toolbox and make OS 4.0 Final bootable with update#4 on other partition?

Yes. One partition for "final" and one for "update#4" and make them both bootable. Priority (higher) determines which partition boots.

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@TetiSoft

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You should read Documentation/Kickstart/bootmenu.doc on the OS4Final CD,the last paragraph, which starts with Quote:Predefining the default boot device in the KickLayout file----------------------------------------------------------

So, an Update #4 kernel can be used with this method? I don't know of the version numbers offhand of Update #4. Thanks for the tip.

Last edited by Hypex on 02-Oct-2007 at 03:26 PM.

@number6


I have installed and reinstalled OS 4.0 Final but no it doesn't boot.

Why I ask me?

I setup boot priority higher than Os 4.0 update 4 and doesn't boot.

After this I read the installation instructions and reinstall OS 4.0 Final and set:

DH0 boot priority 0
buffers 500
stacksize 2048
longnames
FastFileSystem
DOS/07

and nothing changes

I am thinking about to reinstall update 4 now

What can I do?

Any has or had at some time the same problem?

Helo is truly appreciated.

Last edited by newlight on 02-Oct-2007 at 05:36 PM.

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@newlight

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After this I read the installation instructions and reinstall OS 4.0 Final and set: DH0 boot priority 0 buffers 500 stacksize 2048 longnames FastFileSystem DOS/07

This should be fine for your two boot partitions, although I'm sure you mean "blocksize" and not "stacksize". These settings are fine for FFS2.
Then you merely set both partitions as bootable and switch between them by raising the priority of the one you want to boot.

If you are using SFS, then you need to follow the guidelines for that file system.
http://www.intuitionbase.com/static.php?section=en_SFS-walkthrough

All of this assumes, that you have installed according to the installation .pdf supplied with OS4.

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@number6

Yeah it's fine but qhat the ehll happens taht I cannot boot OS 4.0 Final?

It loads the modules and then all stops.

Can you be more concrete and give me the necessary steps to finally boot OS 4.0 Final?

I will really be grateful with you if you make my new system boot.
Thanks in advance

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@newlight

Welcome in the I-reinstall-my-OS-all-the-time world!

Here is how I manage 4 installations systems (Update4, Final+July, Final+Update4) without headaches and with 4 clicks and 1 reboot to change one for an other one:
Click here

'It's all about choices'.

Bye,
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@TMTisFree

Does the floppy boot priority make my system unbootable?

I noticed that floppy priority is higher than the other partitions...

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Hi @newlight

DH0 boot priority 0
I always used at least 6 . 0 will never work because of a bug.
How is your IDE configuration set?

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@Snuffy

As far as I Know Is:

IDE 0:HD
IDE 1:DVD-RW
IDE 2:DVD-ROM

I was thinking about boot priority and setting it up is a welcome solution.

I am gonna give it a try now and if it works I will post here on my Amiga no on this PC.

Last edited by newlight on 02-Oct-2007 at 06:51 PM.

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@newlight

The floppy boot priority is 5 for FD0: and -5 for FD1: as it was on the
classic machines with DF0: and DF1:. The default harddisk boot priority
is still 0. Those priorities still result in the typical gameplayer system
which can and will boot from floppy when a bootable floppy is inserted.

The number of floppy bootblock viruses which run on OS4 and are able
to infect MFM-formatted floppy disks with FFS filesystem is probably
rather low ATM, but when you want to play it safe, never use a harddisk
boot priority below 11, this priority is higher than those of BOOTRAD|RESRAD|
CD0|FD0 and ensures the system wont boot from media which were accidently
forgotten in a drive before a reboot. However, it also forces you to use
bootmenu when you dont want to boot from the harddisk. So maybe 0 is a good
default boot priority for harddisk partitions.

IIRC there were reports that a broken or wrongly cabled floppy drive didnt
cause any harm in older OS4 releases but of course caused trouble with the
first release which actually came with a floppy driver
(Kickstart/a1floppy.device.kmod).

Can you enter bootmenu, boot without S-S, type "Set echo on" and
"Execute S/Startup-Sequence"? If yes, where does it hang?

@Snuffy

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DH0 boot priority 0 I always used at least 6 . 0 will never work because of a bug.

Which bug?
In older OS releases the RAD: boot priority was 0 too which could
cause unwanted booting from RAD: but in the meantime its changed
to -5.

@TetiSoft

It is secure that with a boot priority of 11 on DH0 I can finally boot the system or
may I check the floppy cables too?

Is the twist part of the floppy cable the one that I may connect or is it the other part?

I am in doubt now.

Last edited by newlight on 02-Oct-2007 at 07:07 PM.

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@newlight

No floppy here, don't know. The boot priority of DH0: is 0.
I try to not play with priorities because this was not reliable in the past
(don't know now).

Bye,
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