@CodeSmith

>>If you use the OLPC components, any chance that you could get them in colors that don't make me feel like I deprived some two year old of his favorite toy?

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@bbrv

I really like the look of the LimePC and LimeOS, is that a umpc i see?

@TheDaddy

It'll be a really advanced, über fast cell/coldfire/68060 combo pocket calculator ....

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@mike

>>It'll be a really advanced, über fast cell/coldfire/68060 combo pocket calculator ....

Phew! I got scared there, for a moment I thought it was going to be one of those low power devices which fits in sardines tins powered by lime juice or something!

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@TheDaddy

Actually i think there was some talk about wiring about 100 bagdad batteries up and creating a custom back pack

Make that about 450

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Kickstart 40.68 is the best bet, it may not load 1.3 games but WHDLoad should sort that out

If we are to take the platform forward it should have one of the later kickstarts,
40.68 is also a very popular Kickstart since it was used in later CBM A1200s and Escom A1200s

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@BigGun

I have to answer myself here.

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I understand that there are people wanting to use OS4. But aren't there already PPC platforms as SAM, EFIKA, PEGASOS which are excellent suited for running OS4 ?

Just as a side note:
If you want PowerPC on the Natami immediatly then technically you can kludge a NatAmi60 together with a EFIKA, SAM, or Pegasos using a PCI2PICbridge.

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A low cost ultra-portable Natami is an interesting idea but I'm not keen on the OLPC XO case or keyboard. The case looks too "Fisher Price" and the look of the keyboard gives me flashbacks to using the rubber keys on my ZX SPectrum. There are other issues like connectivity, I don't think the XO has a VGA connector. The Gamepads are no substitute for a decent joystick but I doubt there's a suitable case that would accommodate 9 pin D-Type(s) for Amiga controllers without loosing a VGA connector.

I've got an Eee PC which I think is great but if I could have bought an Amiga compatible ultra portable with similar spec/performnce for £200 I would have got one like a shot.

If Natami using Coldfire is achievable are there any other obstacles to creating a low cost system? I know that the idea was to use very fast (expensive) chip ram for Natami , can it be integrated cheaply onto the SoC or is it not prohibitively expensive to use? I hope it wouldn't end up throttled by slow chip ram.

@IanP

I want to add one more question.

Why not PC133 SDRAM which users can buy and put on the system (expandable)?
What are the advantages for using a particular kind of memory? ( I do not know, so I ask).

Personally I like the Fisher Price case but not the horns .

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@FithisUX

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FithisUX wrote: Why not PC133 SDRAM which users can buy and put on the system (expandable)? What are the advantages for using a particular kind of memory? ( I do not know, so I ask).

The Chipmem on the Natami60 is quite a lot faster than PC 133 SDRAM.
Think of it like a PC GFX Card - It comes soldered with the approbaite type of memory and you can not expand it too. Does this make sense to you?

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@ReverseGTR

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ReverseGTR wrote: @bbrv It is nice to see LimePC is putting the time, budget and effort to setup awareness for its product. But its somewhat moot since they have not proven that they're going to mass produce. I feel more inclined to believe the true intention of hombrewers over a company when showing the dedication to produce something based on a showing a prototype, no offense. However, this along with other products like NATAMI and Minimig will resurrect awareness on the 68k platform that can be just as capable today as it was when it first hit the scene over three decades ago. And its not nice to hijack other folk's topics.

ReverseGTR,

I think you misunderstand BBRV which can happen.
I think BBRV's post was trying to point out that they are working on finding suitable cases for the Natami.

Cheers

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@BigGun

Now I get what is trying to be said. The only issue that can arrise though is should the complete hardware be designed around the case or the other way around? For example, there is obviously no way to add a PPC card when its in a sub-notebook case which would mean those that want one would need to find at least a generic shuttle case and then somehow properly mount it. Also can those making NATAMI make enough to fufill the demand for multiple uses?

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what concerns the case i would not personnally target a portable solution at the moment. something like that might be reasonable if there is a real opportunity for natami to compete in the chip 3rd world notebook challenge. maybe this is an option. but i cant judge it.
anyways having installed ubuntu lately i realise now that a simple operating system like amiga os along with maybe a little limited but lovely hardware might be competitive against overblown win and linux distributions on overheated x86 architecture.
if only it was dependable enough...

@BigGun

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The Chipmem on the Natami60 is quite a lot faster than PC 133 SDRAM.

Ok then.

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Think of it like a PC GFX Card - It comes soldered with the approbaite type of memory and you can not expand it too.

So it is better to put enough RAM . Is 256M enough? I personally suspect yes. (but efika2 needs more )

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Does this make sense to you?

Yes. Thanks.

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@Plaz Quote:

The first step is for Party1 to look at the asm code and completely comment what tasks the code performs.

That's not strictly correct (or at least could be misleading), because the "comments" must take a high-level view of what is being achieved, rather than simply stating in English what each assembler instruction does. Thus the comment "Add one to register 2 and store the result in register 3" is NOT allowed.

Basically you must write a specification that states WHAT must be achieved, but not HOW you achieve it. So if you had a particular Kickstart function that drew a filled polygon, then you would only give the information that a normal coder would need to call that function, and not mention anything about how the draw routine was actually implemented.

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Hello,

I reread the natami site and:

A developper make a gigabit driver for ethernet. Ethernet not on first batch of natami060 but gigabit on next batch.

making a gigabit driver for natami060 is finallly near (source code look like the same) for the AOS4, near for AOS3.X with PCMCIA OR PCI cards, near for morphOS maybe, IMHO... (I'm not a cadr, maybe a bad idea).

Questions:

- Other developper joined natami crew (actual is: thomas and gunnar) with the great help from bbrv (thanks to him). How much additionnal developpers and what they are plananed to do for natami ????

- How gunnar and other developpers can do things with natami without boards actually for testing??? (I know that Natami is like an amiga 68k but the speed isn't here, question maybe usefull maybe just for the flight sim game of gunnar).

NOTE:

I stop my read allways on paula 4 channel, again and again. Please make a 16 channels or 32 channels for Paula for native xm or s3m tracker for the amiga.


There are a lots of hope for amiga fans for the natami actually. All really hope and wish to see the natami released. With new developpers and bbrv for helping, IMHO, the hope is verry high for the Natami for the amiga fans.

Thanks for updated informations for users on natami site and on forums. Even if the development is slower (IMHO release 2009 because hardware developments!!), informations given regularly help to understand more and help for waiting.

bye and good week end.

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@Biggun

You should really have AmigaOS parts ready. Make SDK now! Promote for people to code for NatAmi etc. I like that your so open with the community. MorphOS Team should have learned, but they havent. Its sad, but the truth.

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@BigGun

Have you seen the Pandora handheld system.






It is designed as a successor to the GP2X but not by Gamepark or Gamepark Holdings.

Specification as follows;

* Processor -- TI OMAP3530 with PowerVR SGX GPU
* Memory -- 128MB DDR SDRAM; 256MB internal flash
* Flash memory expansion -- 2 x SDHC
* Display -- 4.3 inch touchscreen LCD with 800x480 resolution and 5:3 aspect ratio; 300 cd/m2 brightness; 450:1 contrast ratio
* I/O -- 802.11g WiFi, USB host, RS232 serial
* A/V I/O -- TV-out (supports picture-in-picture); A/V-OUT (S-Video and Composite); 3.5mm headphone/microphone cables
* Other features -- directional pad; 2 x analog nubs, real-time clock
* Dimensions -- 5.5 x 3.3 x 1.1 inches (140 x 83 x 27 mm)
* Battery -- Lithium-ion; chargeable via AC adapter or USB port
* Operating system -- Open2X-style Linux firmware

The projected price is £199 including VAT

Linux devices article

A Natami/Coldfire SOC based system would compare well. What do you think.

@Rob
I'm not sure you should compare it to Natami, since the Pandora (*) system is designed as a portable hand-held system, the quoted price has VERY little profit in it (much less than usual for that kind of device), and is likely being targeted at volumes of at least 10k (given that the GP2X sold 30k over several years).

(* = "Pandora" is only the code-name, it will probably be called something like "GP3X" for consumers.)

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wawa wrote: what concerns the case i would not personnally target a portable solution at the moment. something like that might be reasonable if there is a real opportunity for natami to compete in the chip 3rd world notebook challenge. maybe this is an option. but i cant judge it. anyways having installed ubuntu lately i realise now that a simple operating system like amiga os along with maybe a little limited but lovely hardware might be competitive against overblown win and linux distributions on overheated x86 architecture. if only it was dependable enough...

OLPC's AMD Geode LX 700 @433Mhz has 0.8 Watts TDP btw.OLPC laptop's software overclocking to 566Mhz didn't affect battery life.

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@Rob

On CPU front, the OMAP3530 is equiped NEON (64bit and 128 bit) SIMD co-processor.
The NEON co-processor can execute MP3 audio decoding on CPUs running at 10 MHz and supports up to 16 operations(packed 8bit data) at the same time.

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