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meet.mrnrg wrote: @wegster Again specs are totally different. 1) Not a FreeScale Processor let alone a PPC compatible one. 2) No 32GByte SSD 3) No hope for Amiga OS but maybe AROS. 4) Windows XP is optional, additional license fees apply - YUCK 5) Totally different company, again in same breath, that has not announced any plan to support the Amiga community. 6) Prices are direct purchase from company PLEASE PAY ATTENTION!

You're kiddng me, right? Your 'business plan' equates to buy at double price, you profit, community loses b/c no REAL plan to get anything actually *ported*, I give you info on Lime, as well as Cherry, and you what, couldn't figure out there are TWO 'models' advertised? One of which is:
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Specifications: Freescale’s MPC5121e mobileGT processor, 800 MIPS (400 MHz) of processing 256 MB of DDR2 DRAM 8GB NAND Flash-based solid state drive (increased from 4GB C100) WiFi 802.11b/g Wi-Fi Two USB 2.0 ports One 10/100 Ethernet with RJ-45 jack One VGA DB-15 display out jack Headphone level stereo audio out 3.5mm jack 9vDC 2.5mm 10 watt AC-DC adapter power supply Weighs 10 ounces 1.3” high, 5.8” x 4.2” wide

There is no 'support for Amiga community' here from Lime/THTF either - just wanting to sell off old demo stock or to find an OE, is my guess.

Did you bother to *research* Lime/THTF, and read the supplied links, or do you ALREADY know the retail target price was $249, and are simply pleading ignorance here?

PLEASE PAY ATTENTION

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@wegster

Your reading the wrong specification? AGAIN PAY ATTENTION!!!
Can you read minds?
Does the Amiga community need to impose sanctions on dummy x86 setups to prevent the cover plan "TAKE OVER THE WORLD" LOL.... "cough "

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Did you bother to *research* Lime/THTF, and read the supplied links, or do you ALREADY know the retail target price was $249, and are simply pleading ignorance here?

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1) Prove this with an official press release, even for the WRONG SPECS!
2) Prove that your specs even match my specs. - I suspect grudge match or wearing the wrong glasses.
3) Prove that there is no discussions
4) Prove that it's RRP x 200,000 - that's how many times you need to prove it
5) What are the over-head costs of doing international trade and business - for any business?
6) What are my companies overheads?
7) Do you have any plans for the Amiga community? or just x86 Mac + MaOSX?
8) Prove that we have no plan, to aid and assist the Amiga community?

----Please don't participate in this thread if you can't answer all of these questions TRUTHFULLY.----

People: Truthfully a lot of the previous old world power players, could not avoid a global melt down when competition was constantly trying to ponzi scheme and under-cut in price wars. Most of you will agree that ALL PREVIOUS power player schemers have lost their spots and influence in the world.

Most IT industry member will agree to the following.
1) We don't pay peanuts to get peanuts, no matter where the goods come from.
2) The IT world cannot survive and grow on "Lolly Pop" or "Lemonade Stand" codes of conduct, let alone the pricing models.

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meet.mrnrg wrote: @Hammer I've heard people do some cross compiling, but the source code can some times be a little or a lot different!

Current AROS was designed to be AOS 3.X source code compatible** and binary compatible on 68k. **Minus ISA specfic ASM.

Is there advantages of running AROS PPC over AROS X86. If not, the “best bang per buck” hardware wins the game.

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@meet.mrnrg

After a bit of reading, and struggling to stay awake to read through the posts here.


My own personal comment would be, Oh great, bloody marvellous, finally an Amiga Laptop, Oh no, Wait, Nothing is in stone here, ahhhhhhh shet, better go back to my sam, or perhaps play on my cd32.

Anyway, look, seriously,

It is obvious every single amiga user wuld be more than happy to pay a reasonable price for a Laptop thats supporting lets say, amiga OS4.x or Morph. Naturally I prefer Os4.x.

BUT

Until such time, This seems nothing but a potential ppipe dream, which many of us amiga users already have too many of without your help.

Have you even talked or gotton into contact with hyperion or the lke, to find out what their thoughts are for the potential of having it run Amiga OS??

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@Gebrochen

Its a big task... 99.9% possibility of failure!
But the machine is totally cool for the portable notebook computing purposes:
Include with System - A User friendly version of Unix like Operating System
# Lime OS
* Office Suite - Documents, Spread Sheets, PDF Viewer
* Multimedia / Movie - Play Videos - eg. YouTube
* Browser Tools / Internet - Web 2.0 capable
* Plenty of Games - Just for small amounts of fun
# Communication
o Chat - Many Protocols
o VOIP - Make telephone calls to mobile and landlines
# System Tools - Calculator, Calendar, Dictionary - etc

1) A select few and I, will be testing over the course of the weeks and maybe months the machines.
2) I hope to setup a PayPal donate button, so that we can raise money, to send machines to CORE OS4.0 developer and testers. Some MorphOS members, and some AROS developers.
3) I will most likely donate some machines.

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An Article from JAN 2008 - Before the Global Financial Meltdown, not to mention thousands of IT Sector job loses.

http://www.embeddedstar.com/weblog/2008/01/08/motherboard-on-a-chip/

This source quotes a Jan-2008 $300.00 price point, which of course is not feasible, unless you operate at a loss and plan for no expansion.

Forget hiring new people with this pricing model.

Freescale 1,000 Units of Sample CPU's - JUST THE CPU - BARE BONES!

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Budgetary Price QTY 1000+ ($US) = $24.28 US - $28.75US

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@meet.mrnrg

Now this is quite an interesting development. Thanks for your pursuit and involvement in this.

Just some things. What speed is the CPU? I didn't see it mentioned.

Where has this LimePPC come from? What market is it for? As all I know about are x86 laptops and Linux. So I wonder what benefit a computer with a PowerPC has? Since not many out there would know what a PowerPC is in the laptop world. Nor would they use Linux for that matter.

It looks similar in size to that Asus Eee. To which IMHO is a waste of money for such a small screen laptop when a friend of mine bought a bigger normal size laptop for the same price.

But as an Amiga/OS4 laptop this looks like it could be good value. First Amiga laptop maybe!

@Hypex

Its a Tri-Core CPU 700MIPS (Million instructions per second)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIPS
The various cores operate at different speeds, but are like an all in one unit / bundle.
* e300 Processor Core 200-400 MHz A1.1
* AXE audio engine 200 MHz - 32-bit fixed-point RISC engine - 500+ MByte/sec
* PowerVR MBX Lite's - 1M-7.4M polygons @200mhz - 24Bit colour, 128Bit interface - Lite 2D/3D
* SDRAM Clock 28.6-200 MHz A1.2
* CSB Bus Clock 50.0-200 MHz A1.3
* IP Bus Clock 8.3-83 MHz A1.4
* PCI Clock 4.43-66 MHz A1.5
* LPC Clock 2.08-83 MHz A1.6
* Sys PLL VCO frequency 400-800Mhz
* Other units have other min/max operating speeds!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR
http://www.imgtec.com/PowerVR/mbx.asp
http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/MPC5121ECONFS.pdf


http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/prod_brief/MPC5121ePB.pdf?fpsp=1


This system will be very much like the classic:
A) Separate processors performing dedicated tasks, all from the one unit.
i) Sound Chip
ii) Graphics Chip
iii) Processor Chip
B) DMA Technology, all on one piece of technology
C) Freescale CPU - A Motorola CPU division spin off, which all the Class Amiga's used.

http://www.freescale.com/files/shared/doc/package_info/98ARS10503D.pdf
http://www.power.org/devcon/07/Session_Downloads/PADC07_Farcas_Hybrid_Multi-core_Debugging_Solution.pdf
http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=6&q=http://www.freescale.com/files/wireless_comm/doc/fact_sheet/IMAGNATIONCOFS.pdf%3Fsrch%3D1&ei=1mTYScLzBKPglQfjsoXLDA&usg=AFQjCNFXcK7qlQyhGYuAA7-37JGVxLkUoQ

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Can AROS PPC run AOS4 or MOS PPC apps?

No, and there's been not much interest to implement a corresponding wrapper during all those years this bounty does exist.

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http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/prod_brief/MPC5121ePB.pdf?fpsp=1
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The MPC5121e architecture is built around an arbitrated multi-master memory bus architecture with an integrated DDR1/DDR2 memory controller. The processor bus supports pipelined split transaction bus tenures to maximize performance. There are also several peripheral buses with widths and speeds matched to the requirements of each domain. With associated, distributed buffer memories, core interrupts and bus transfer overheads are reduced for improved system performance. The MBX Lite 2D/3D graphics engine was licensed from Imagination Technologies Group Plc. and includes PowerVR geometry processing acceleration. The PowerVR MBX Lite's unique tile-based rendering architecture provides powerful, efficient performance and is implemented with a 128-bit interface to optimize byte transfers on the memory interface. The AXE audio engine is a programmable 32-bit fixed-point RISC engine intended for hardware acceleration of digital audio formats, for encoding or decoding, but also supports other functions like sample rate conversion. It operates at 200 MHz and has eight registers each for data address and vector. The engine has a single-cycle 32 × 32 multiply-accumulate block. The single-channel DMA supports up to four pipelined transfers handling in excess of 500 MByte/sec. This is supported by a zero-wait 128-Kbyte SRAM bank. The engine also supports sleep mode, interrupts, and hardware debugging. The DIU integrated display controller can support a wide variety of TFT LCD displays with resolution up to 1280 × 720 (720p) at a maximum refresh rate of 60 Hz and a color depth up to 24 bits per pixel. There are three input planes and output planes, but the output planes can be extended by write-back and blending to virtual n-plane output. Alpha blending can extend up to 256 levels, and chroma keying is selectable by range.

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meet.mrnrg wrote: ------- Developer Evaluation Only ------- LimeBook PPC - FOR AmigaOS / MorphOS / AROS Developer - Evaluation eBay ITEM: 160325770518 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160325770518 Right now, I am being allowed access to a very small number of LimeBook PPC's for developer evaluation only. ------- Developer Evaluation Only -------

If you want these two systems in the hands of developers why an ebay auction where any ebay user can hit buy it now?

Why are you not contacting developers first to see if they would have any interest and then deal directly with them?

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I really don't see the point of yet another useless wannabe-hardware proposition... and if I see the poll's results, i am not the only one.

MorphOS team isn't going to port to this... they are busy with a Macmini port and when it's done I suppose that with the experience/effort that went in there, an Ibook port would make more sense instead of porting to cpu in a machine that is declared useless by BBRV and others.

What Hyperion is concerning... I am not sure what their target-hardware is for the moment... but I very much doubt that's going to be it.

AROS ? ... that's ment to be x86 and there are lot's of better alternatives to run that on.

And why should OS4 or MorphOS run on that thing anyway... It's just another toy that is made for some surfing, watching pictures and reading emails and other easy tasks. Linux can do that just fine and I will not pay between 120 ¤ and 150 ¤ for a license to do just that...

And then I even didn't mention the price .... 500$ excl. worldwideshipping and probably in most european countries +/- 20% import taxes...

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meet.mrnrg wrote: @Hammer AROS for SAM440EP PPC is an ongoing project... So there is a path! The short term plan is to sell all units, near maximum specs and %100 identical.

Any end-user serviceable access panels?

http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=i.MX515
It be would difficult to beat this Freescale's ARM based reference netbook.
1GHz ARM Cortex-A8 CPU.
32KB instruction and data caches.
Unified 256KB L2 cache.
NEON 128bit SIMD media accelerator.
Vector floating point co-processor.
OpenGL ES 2.0 and OpenVG 1.1 hardware accelerators.

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@Aminicle

We are trying to steer this thread to developers who are willing to explore and purchase.

Thanks for your opinion!

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It's competition for sure... I'm not involved in that project, its another project entirely.

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If that ARM Netbook was available with OS4.x support I would have to get two immediately.

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Hypex wrote: @meet.mrnrg It looks similar in size to that Asus Eee. To which IMHO is a waste of money for such a small screen laptop when a friend of mine bought a bigger normal size laptop for the same price.

Being the owner of an HP Mini I can tell you the purpose of the netbooks is not really to replace a desktop or a laptop, it is to be an ultra-portable. My unit smaller the a sheet of paper, fits in a bookbag, and being solid state I have no fear of the hard-drive being ruined because of a physical shock. The screen size does create a problem occasionally but overall they are very nice for what they are but it certainly does not replace my desktop or my full sized notebook.

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Yes, it would never have the power of a desktop. Desktops are much larger and as they are built these days much faster.

I think x86 CPU's are even worse in Notebooks than they are in Laptops, but this will change in 4-8 years for sure!

The LimeBook is supposed to be like the small sheet of paper, with the SSD drive giving extra shock resistance and speed. 9/10 times more likely to take a Notebook with you than a laptop for short trips, if you don't need CPU / RAM grunt!

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@meet.mrnrg

The 5121 is a Efika board class cpu. Not too impressive. The 5121 may be a bit faster than the 5200B because it has a double sized L1 cache. Also hdd performance should be quite nice. All in all a board where MorphOS/AMigaOS would run fine, but no really impressive.
Okay, there are big benefits of the 5121, namely the very low power uptake. In prnciple a netbook with really long battery life could habe been build from that, but THTF didn't took that opportunity, but included a very tiny battery...
Well, te price: For 199 EUR/US$ it would be very competetive. 249 still okay, but more, well -- you get Atom netbook for that amount which are magnitudes fatser than the 5121 (I have an Efika, ths know the speed of a 400 MHz e300 and I also have a Eee 900a with Atom N270, so I know that speed, too).
The 5121 is only suitable for *ultra* low price lowest power devices. This THTF netbook is yet neither ulra low price, nor used THTF the opportunity to utilize the really low power footprint to give this netbook an impressive runtime (>6hrs would have been nice and realistic).
Plus thereis the problem of the cache non coherence of the 5121. That is an issue which is not to problematic on MorphOS/AOS/AROS since the API already should be able to handle that, but still it would require some major work.
Ah one last thing: the really nice AXe unit - is ist now supported in LimeOS. Last time I checked it wasn't.


My take on the 5121: two years ago (before the Atom strike on the netbook market) the 5121 would have ben a killer, but since the arrival of the Atom and the soon coming iMX51x netbooks the 5121 has no serious benefit any more.
A 8610 based netbook could be competetive, but nobody's going to build that. Unfortunately; I'd like to add.

One more: If you can make a deal to offer these 5121 netbooks for less than 200 US$/EUR (i.e. less than every Atom driven netbook) then it still could sell well. I assume from my Efika experience and the reports by Velcro and his cherrypal (which is also a 5121 driven LimeOS device) that it does the netbookjob sufficiently well.

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@Zylesea

Thanks for the feedback.
The SPECS of the machine of which you are discussing are NOT THE SAME.

---PRICING MODEL---
199.99 = Bankrupt -- Find proof you can Yahoo all the IT companies layoff in 2007, 2008, 2009
299.99 = Bankrupt -- Find proof you can Yahoo all the IT companies layoff in 2007, 2008, 2009
399.99 = Bankrupt -- Find proof you can Yahoo all the IT companies layoff in 2007, 2008, 2009

499.99 = Might survive to see further developments, much like when the Sam440EP has survived at the price point above the $600.00 Mark. RESULT: Now we have 3 Models in Sam440EP and 2 Models of SamFlex. (I mean the Mhz)

SO SO SORRY, SO SO SORRY, SO SO SORRY

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