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Troll: Trolls show no respect for other people's opinions and deliberately crafts messages to provoke others with the intention of wasting their time and energy or just to cause anger and confrontations. There is no point in arguing with them; their minds are made up. Ignore them

Its kinda hard to ignore them when they are moderators Eh MikeB?

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Kay wrote: Well, I would expect this from Nathaniel Downes. Slamming Amiga publicly while pretending to be a regular user (sometimes switching to the "concerned user" role) is what he gets paid for, after all. No surprises here. But someone should probably tell Wired who he is. Kay

You just volunteered!

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@ Darth_X

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To pin this article solely on Nate Downes is lame..

Personally I have no problems with Wired ranking Amiga products within their list.

I do think Nate deserves criticism for his repeating never ending trolling against rival projects. He has made false claims on multiple occasions on OSNews and Slashdot, sometimes even as if he was an official AmigaOS4 spokesman, so this is not at all an incident.

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Step wrote: Ah, good old downix, the amiga user that cant tell the difference between an atari and an amiga, amusing.

That's nothing.. you'd be surprised what an 'amiga' is these days!

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Toaks wrote: yep , well he has a point though...no os4 yet .) but its the way its said which make the trolls appear :)

poetry:

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anonymously on ann.lu
is it you?
is it you?

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Actually I couldn't care less that OS4 hits the wired vaporware list again.

What I don't like is the way Downix have written the text as it is not true (the pre-alpha, and Teron stuff).

That and that he's working for the competition seems a bit lame to me, but still I guess it's better than not being mentioned at all?

Look at the bright side, when OS4 is released it will come as a big suprise to most Wired readers

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Its the SAME exact design, but with a higher quantity production run, leading to a slightly lower price.

I am quite sure that Genesi's hardware guys have explained to Nate that Mai's original expensive reference boards are not the same as the current much cheaper AmigaOne boards. Actually due to the differences it was publicly stated that this is a reason why MOS does not run on AmigaOne hardware. (Different BootROM, newer revision chips, CPU sockets, etc)

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That's nothing.. you'd be surprised what an 'amiga' is these days! ]

Er let's see, if I can get this one, it has to be a "classic" machine made by either commodore or Escom, or An officially licensed AmigaOne Machine, made by Eyetech.
- All these machines run AmigaOS in one form or another, and in the case of the Official AmigaOne machine, will soon run AmigaOS4.

Anything else that claims to be an "Amiga" is a pretend wannabe, purchased by foolish people who deluded themselves that they were buying into the next generation of Amiga computing.

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> You just volunteered!

Nah, others have already sent mails. No point in mailbombing them.

I won't argue with putting OS4 on the 2003 vaporware list, it IS extremely long overdue, so I could understand why someone outside the community would think it to be vapor. However, Nathaniel Downes' statement contains more than a *little* spin on things, and is probably intentionally inaccurate (OS4 has been demonstrated in BETA stage, not pre-alpha). I realize that this is what he gets paid for, so I won't get all worked up over it, but for the sake of factual accuracy, the record should be set straight.

Kay

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To pin this article solely on Nate Downes is lame.. you seriously think Wired would publish on the list of 10 the comments of only one person?

You're missing the whole point. He's the one who got quoted. He's employed by Genesi USA (I think it was USA). It's business ethics which clashes wildly against my own ethics, and apparently not only me.

If I'd dig up all the black secrets of Genesi and post them to various sites, people would hate me. Cause what I did is below any kind of standard. Critizing OS4, as a competitor, posing as a "reader" is just pathetic, if you ask me.

He does have a point, it's not out yet. I'm not saying anything about that.

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Mikey, I think we can do without these sorts of comments- they do nothing but cause flame wars and that's not what I expect from a moderator.

Also, I feel the title of this thread is misleading.

On topic: It amuses me that Nate Downes, yet again, undermines the small amount of credibility he has left with these sorts of deliberate misinformations. However, does anyone actually care if OS4 is on the Wired Vapour list of 2003? At least people are still thinking about OS4!

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MikeB wrote: @ Darth_X Quote: Its the SAME exact design, but with a higher quantity production run, leading to a slightly lower price. I am quite sure that Genesi's hardware guys have explained to Nate that Mai's original expensive reference boards are not the same as the current much cheaper AmigaOne boards. Actually due all these differences it was publicly stated that this is a reason why MOS does not run on AmigaOne hardware. (Different BootROM, newer revision chips, CPU sockets, etc)

LOL! You sound confused!

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poetry: Trolls appear too anonymously on ann.lu is it you? is it you?

Trolls apear here
With smilies covering up their sneers.
They think they are cool
but looks like fools
please don't talk out your rear.

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Mikey_C wrote: Trolls apear here With smilies covering up their sneers. They think they are cool but looks like fools please don't talk out your rear.

That was good though, I'll give you that!

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Mikey, I think we can do without these sorts of comments- they do nothing but cause flame wars and that's not what I expect from a moderator.

Hey c'mon IanS I am posting smilies on all my comments do you think I really mean it?


If it works for Darth_X it can work for me

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@Mikey
Ok, I see your point.

However, it might be wise to edit your post before the usual suspects find it!

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Mikey_C wrote: Quote: That's nothing.. you'd be surprised what an 'amiga' is these days! ] Er let's see, if I can get this one, it has to be a "classic" machine made by either commodore or Escom, or An officially licensed AmigaOne Machine, made by Eyetech. - All these machines run AmigaOS in one form or another, and in the case of the Official AmigaOne machine, will soon run AmigaOS4. Anything else that claims to be an "Amiga" is a pretend wannabe, purchased by foolish people who deluded themselves that they were buying into the next generation of Amiga computing.

Exactly my point!

But I still believe that Amiga is about hardware and that Ed Hepler could design a better 'Amiga' than the entire Mai Logic team who have never seen or used even an A1200!

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So you're effectively saying that no modern Amiga is an Amiga because it uses hardware that isn't "Amiga"?!

Way to go

Really, Darth_X, you have the nerve to criticise people about their behaviour when yours is so apalling? Unbelievable.

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So sad to see employees of direct competitors resort to such tactics. I guess Wired does not even know that they are dealing with quotes relating to an employee of a competing company and not just some random reader.

Although the "award" is somewhat deserving, it is clear that Wired did not know they were quoting from an employee of a direct competitor. The Amiga.org forum (making fun of this forum of course) has a note from a friend saying Nate sent it in as his personal opinion and he was not representing Genesi and may be miffed that his quote was used.

Nate's opinion, like it or not, is now tied to Genesi. Just like my opinion is tied to Hyperion and Amiga Inc. because I am a beta tester. If I say something about AmigaOS 4.0 or MorphOS, I would expect others to question my sincerity. No, it's not fair.

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IanS wrote: @Darth_X So you're effectively saying that no modern Amiga is an Amiga because it uses hardware that isn't "Amiga"?! Way to go

I've said this before, neither the Pegasos or AmigaOne are 'true Amigas'.

So some people, it was the hardware that made an Amiga.
To other people it was AmigaOS, the operating system, that made an Amiga.

And to normal people it was a unique combination of both in a system that truely worked


To me the only 'true Amiga' is a system that has custom designed hardware for graphics/video/audio/multimedia and operating system that makes it all work.

Why is this such a bad thing?

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Really, Darth_X, you have the nerve to criticise people about their behaviour when yours is so apalling? Unbelievable.

My behavior consists mainly of constructive criticism. Nothing wrong with this.

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