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AFAIK this was not the case. MorphOS would have reused AmigaOS source code but AFAIK there were no plans to rename MorphOS to AmigaOS. MorphOS was never supposed to be new AmigaOS but new OS altogether.

Was it supposed to be Amiga, Inc.'s official OS as well (even if it wasn't to be named "Amiga"OS) ? Or was the deal only about having access to some source code ?

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@Leo

I have to say I dont know. At that time I wasnt aware of OS developments nor part of any group so I dont have first hand information. The main goal was complete ABox as quickly as possible and AmigaOS source code was needed to fill missing pieces. The interest on AmigaOS source code was purely professional without emotional feelings attached to the name.

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@cha05e90

Different? I doubt it. In year 2000 it was too late already. Maybe MorphOS would be stronger today but it is still tiny community. Years 1994-2000 were completely wasted on nothing.

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Years 1994-2000 were completely wasted on nothing.

You seem to forget about Workbench 3.5/3.9 ;)

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@cha05e90

Problem with Phase5 and their PPC boards was they were unreliable and really expensive. There was deep recession in my home country, f.ex., at those times and no chances to get a job. And Amiga was becoming more and more outdated back then.

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You seem to forget about Workbench 3.5/3.9 ;)

Yup, that's worse than wasting time. That's like wasting time while drinking gasoline to get brain damage.

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Problem with Phase5 and their PPC boards was they were unreliable and really expensive. There was deep recession in my home country, f.ex., at those times and no chances to get a job.

True, but what else could they do without access to hardware/software sources ? Guess it's better than nothing...

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Hmm - on the other hand there were a lot of people (incl. myself) who were really glad to see some movement and appreciated things like a fresh new look, an asynchronous workbench, AmiDock etc. pp. - I still like using my rock stable OS3.9 systems (absolutly MORE stable than all my former OS3.1 mega patched systems...).

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Leo wrote: Quote: Years 1994-2000 were completely wasted on nothing. You seem to forget about Workbench 3.5/3.9 ;)

There where only 3 developers working on AmigaOS from 1995 to 2002 Period.
Andy, Heinz and Olsen.

From users point of view nothing really happened, until OS3.5 and OS3.9 around 1999.

There where lots of unofficial development done in the same period.
AHI, WarpUP, and many things that became part of OS3.5.

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Maybe MorphOS would be stronger today but it is still tiny community.

In my view "MorphOS" had never existed if phase5 had been able to convince whatever company owned "the name and the sources" back then. PowerUP would have been part of OS3.5 (for example - it could have been OS3.2 also...) and the foundation of the PPC-migrated AmigaOS 4.x world. But, hey, this is a parallel universe...

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@Leo

There wasnt much development for OS 3.5/3.9. They mostly glued together most used software and made small improvements to some components (Workbench enhancements, support for 8GB+ IDE harddrives and so on). Maybe one considers 3.5 was significant upgrade but looking at timeline between 3.1 and 3.5 (and 3.9) nothing happened between.

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@cha05e90

Skipping the technical side of OS3.(5|9) I felt cheated by The Company. I saw rapid development of other OSes and was oh-so-happy to see something new for my Amiga. I had high hopes and I've been served with something that looked like a poor excuse for an upgrade.

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@cha05e90

PowerUp kernel as part of 3.5 would have been pointless. PowerUp kernel was meant to be only a temporary solution which had to be done due to ESCOM failure.

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@opi

Wasn't that 3.5 better than nothing at least ? Even Commodore didn't develop AmigaOS much in early 1990's. It's easy to see how people have had too high expectations all these years even today. After Commodore died it was only few individuals trying to do "emergency treatment" to Amiga platform.

@itix

In third party software development nothing much happened either.

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Wasn't that 3.5 better than nothing at least ?

3.5 didn't introduce anything of worth for me. EDIT: I was looking for some interesting changes in OS itself, like "real" PowerPC support, changes in kernel, something that would make AmigaOS a little bit current.

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@itix

"It was not really Amiga Inc. per se although people like Gary Peake, Hermans, Moss and others affiliated with Amiga Inc. tried to make it difficult. The split has existed since PowerUp vs WarpUp wars and OS4 vs MorphOS split is nothing but continuation of this old kernel war."

But IMO Amiga Inc should have been able to be above kernel wars. And not just a payground / puppies for/ of war participants. But they failed.
They let third party agendas to mess up the deal.

But ofcourse my viewpoint is only one of the many.
But if we all would agree to blaim solely Amiga Inc, we might have better common future @ Amigaland. ... in my dreams?

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Amiga Inc didnt exist until 2000 or so... it used to be Amiga Technologies back in 90s. There were attempts to create common standards in co-operation with AT but it failed miserably. With inexistant resources Amiga Technologies was nothing but an unlucky muppet company hoping for a miracle to happen.

I think in 1996 most Amiga developers realized that AT is going nowhere and either dumped platform or continued without the official Amiga. The Amiga in its official form was dead.

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@Leo

Speaking of different camps, does the Syllable camp still exist?

@persia

It's still around. Have you ever tried it? Specs-wise it sounds great, but I'm not sure who would use it - does it have a 'home' like Haiku or AmiMorphRos? I'd like to know more - maybe the site just doesn't do a very good job of selling it.

Chris

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@clebin

Yeah, doesn't look like they've made much progress. I think I've got enough "alternative OSs" to watch with AROS and Haiku OS. I like 'em both, maybe I'll set up a box to dual boot them...