@freeaks

The sam460, 2 bds, only arrived just before the show, we spent Friday night just getting 1 bd to work. Nobody had any time to really test it yet. The bd is fan-less & since it just arrived, ssolie had to install os4.1 & get it to boot. Its now in ssolie's hands to further code/test os4. Getting the 460 before the show didn't work out the way ssolie wanted, but he did the best he could under the circumstances.

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@sundown

iirc earlier this year, when x1000 details were still mostly unknown,
we 1st got a bit of news saying: "running at 1.6ghz atm, and it's not its nominal speed, far from it"
i don't call 1.8GHz far from 1.6ghz ..

i wonder if 1.8ghz is the nominal / final speed of x1000 mystery cpu.
would that be possible to get at least a comment saying "this is covered by nda and cannot be answered right now" ?

showing maybe 1.8ghz is not the nominal speed of the x1000 ? this wouldn't violate the nda.
only ppl would know they maybe can expect higher clock.. like 2ghz. or more,
without actually spilling the beans...


about the sam460, i was under the impression amigakit had one on his stand to display.
if i was mistaken then my apologies for mumbling about the lack of substance regarding sam460 in his report. he surely couldn't have been at the stand and elsewhere gathering info like everyone else at the same time.

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@freeaks

Only 2 more weeks.
Where have i heard that before? Lol.

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@freeaks

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i wonder if 1.8ghz is the nominal / final speed of x1000 mystery cpu.

I've heard 2GHz mentioned in other threads, but how does anyone know, when we don't even know yet what the cpu is. I understand the cpu will be told when the product is ready to ship & not before. Even a 200MHz increase won't add much, but we all seem to love nice round numbers.

Maybe the goal is to keep it fan-less, time will tell.

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@amigakit

Where can I get a copy of the "Trevor Dance", me wants..

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@sundown

yes, but,
1.8ghz is not that far from 1.6ghz.
on the other hand, 2ghz would justify a bit more saying "far from it"
2ghz would be far from 1.6ghz .. or at least it's starting to be.
maybe it's nitpicking a bit .. i don't know, but that's how i felt about
it when 1.8ghz speed was "released" later ..
maybe final speed is indeed 1.8ghz.. i'm not saying that would be bad either ..
just that i personally wouldn't have chosen the words: "1.6ghz is far from nominal speed"

i don't think it will be fanless unfortunately.
in any case if it is, i'd be really interested. (more interested than i already am, i mean)
noisy machines are such a pita. aone xe were horribly noisy with their default fans :(
plus all the problem they had ... well, i surely do hope lots of lessons have been learned from the first aone series.

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@freeaks

Haven't decided whether to go fanless or not. Running at 1.8Ghz with heatsink only the max temp CPU recorder is around 60 Degrees C. With 2 cores running flat out this would be higher though.

The AmigaOne X1000 at AmiWest was running at 1.8GHz and has a small CPU fan fitted. The case fans were switched off. The X1650 graphics card also has a small fan.

TrevorD

Edit: the CPU temp with the small fan fitted to the heatsink was less than 50 Degree C (IIRC)

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@freeaks

The 1.6GHz clock could have been the the speed that only required a heatsink on the cpu, there was a small fan on the heatsink at 1.8GHz. I got the impression the cooling method is still a work in progress, but was told the cpu ran very cool. Understand that I don't have any inside info on this, so your guess is as good as mine.

edit: ah a bit too late

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A lovely read and most excellent review


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I'm sure many amigans were waiting for this moment... I'll buy the ZoRAM with 128Mb and AmigaOS4.1 when the upgrade for classic will be available.

+1

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@trevor, sundown

if cpu speed is adjustable by software,
then i'd run it most of the time at speed that doesn't require the fans to kick in at all.
eventually i'd even make a switch so i could desactivate them completely.
only when doing cpu intensive tasks, i'd allow cpu to use full speed and switch fans on.
i mean, personally that's what i'd do with my x1000. i'm not suggesting this should be done by default for everyone of course.

the problem for me is when you let the machine powered on all the night and day noisy machine are quickly becoming a concern. or worse.

completely noiseless experience is a blessing after 5+ hours per day.

maybe that the kind of details that contributed to the good amiga experience back in the 68k days.
heat is the enemy of "good electronic".. and a machine running cool unconsciously means good hardware in ppl minds. well at least for me, that's how it is.
see elwood reflex in this review about the sam440 here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DavDIDDbnso
he touches the cpu with his finger. that kind of thing, long forgotten, i remember that kind of attitude from early amiga days. obviously he uses this detail as a good argument to say "sam440 is good hardware" well it's not just the heat, but it contribute to a good image.

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@amigakit
+500
thanks for the show report.

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Great read, thanks for the detailed report, it sure sounded like Amiga Heaven there

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Haven't decided whether to go fanless or not.

It's probably better to have a fan because some users will install one themselves if there isn't and it may lead to warranty issues.

@freeaks

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a more intersting review would have been to explain what was shown on those machine. how apps ran.

OWB for MorphOS was praised by attendees.

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how well the os itself ran

Reportedly Blender on crashed there and couple of other apps, too. AmiCygnix stuff was presented but it was slow.

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@freeaks

You purchased your system 10 days ago from us.

All System Builds can take up to ten business days to be built/tested/packed. This is documented in several places on our webstore including the FAQ section which is useful for any information you need. In fact, the first FAQ covers this subject.

We communicated to customers that we were attending Amiwest, many months in advance through our webstore at Key Dates . When you go through checkout, it requests before payment that customers check Key Dates for reference on which days are restricted from regular service.

We placed a large notice on our Support Site explaining that we were away at Amiwest. The staff that remain here handle dispatch services only.

Finally we also posted on a few forums and websites that we would be away.

I am not sure what additional reasonable steps we could have done to communicate this.

If you have a query, it is best to raise a Support Ticket with us directly and not publically post off-topic in this thread.

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@amigakit

sunday you got a call, monday 18th you got the transfert,
amiwest started on friday.
the system can be assembled in less than an hour.
you got a week 5 days ..
i though it would be sent before amiwest with a bit of luck.
but seeing nothing came i thought with amiwest and all .. no dice for this week.
but then start of next week after amiwest nothing.
only yesterday i got a mail saying you're currently selecting components to use.
so i just said i thought it was kind of slow service.
no offense meant really.. i just allowed myself to express my opinion.
since i was commenting your report, one stone two bird, i said you were doing it slowly.
well granted it's written on you website, but it says:
"up to" 7 working days. not start on the seventh or eighth or ninth day to think about what component you might use.. and when i placed my order "sam complete system" were shown as "in stock".
and right after my order, no more "sam complete system"..

but well....no human loss here really. i'll see what comes out of this order when it arrives.
i'm not yet an unsatisfied customer.
just one who think you took until the latest time to start working on it .
when i thought it would be over since long by the time indicated . (hence "up to")
(guess it's a half-empty / half-full glass problem here..)
but well, amiwest and all i can understand. i just asked you if you could hurry things up a bit.
you see, i may be eventually about to move to another place, rather soon.
it's not yet 100% sure though. that's why, if possible i'd like you to engage the next gear ;)

thanks for understanding.

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@amigakit

Great show report, Did Jens talk about CloneA at all ? Was there any mention of any plans for a new ppc accelerator for classics from any of your partners ?

OT

The order I placed yesterday afternoon, arrived this morning by 10AM so all I can say GREAT SERVICE AS USUAL !!!!!!

Thanks

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@freeaks

I think you have misred our website. All System Builds take up to 10 business days (not 7)- that does not include weekends. This is documented here

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How long does it take for my pending order to be processed and shipped? We process most orders within 1 to 7 business days after the order has been placed. This is dependent on the items being in stock and the item not being a 'Built To Order' product or system-build which can take up to 10 business days. We thoroughly quality check and test all computer systems before shipping to the customer. Order delays can occur during Key Dates in the year.

You are not taking in consideration any travelling time to and from Amiwest. We left on the Wednesday as documented on our website here and here

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October 20 - 26 We are attending Amiwest 2010 Amiga Show at Sacramento, CA. Orders will be processed and shipped during this period but Technical Services & Support will be unavailable until October 27, 2010.

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Thanks for the order

No talk about PPC accelerators unfortunately. Work on Clone-A is ongoing and a few projects Jens is working on now contains components of that work.

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@amigakit

ok i misred.
i've read "up to" 7 working days (when it was 10 in fact) to "process the order".
when i placed my order "sam complete system were reported as "in stock"
so i thought it wouldn't take until the 7th day.
so now that i see it's not 7 but rather 10 .. you have two days left ?
since you just started yesterday to pick components. that leave little room to thoroughly quality check and test it all ?
or, because of bad timing (with amiwest last weekend) this might take longer ?
as stated above, i might be about to move to a different country soonish..
eventually if this take too long, i might at some point ask you to keep it until i arrive at my next place.
i think if i do have to move, it will be probably in two weeks more or less .. since i have to inject my cat against rabies and put a microchip in the poor thing so she could pass immigration control.
(it's the new law for pets..)
if the system doesn't arrive before i have to leave, next time i'll be able to call you to communicate my new address will be in a month probably a bit more i'm affraid.. this will delay things a lot..
bad timing to place an order i guess ? ;)
(having to move wasn't a planned thing btw.. just an opportunity that arised..)
anyway sorry all for the offtopic.
amigakit could you send me a mail eventualy so we could continue to discuss this elsewhere ?
i didn't realize this would result in longer talk when i first posted a comment about it here.

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