@damocles
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All I have been doing is liaison to the Amiga community for Barry

Baron alone, leave the good people out.

@TiredofLife

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Comparisons drawn with labour camps and apartheid is getting far too carried away. This is an Amiga site and todate, CUSA hasn't produced a single Amiga or Amiga related product.

Probably comparison relates to CUSA relationship to the community

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@TiredofLife

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TiredofLife wrote: No surprise to see this thread get hysterical. Comparisons drawn with labour camps and apartheid is getting far too carried away. This is an Amiga site and todate, CUSA hasn't produced a single Amiga or Amiga related product. Therefore there is no reason for them to be on the front page or have their own section. The fact that they have been given their own section is pretty tolerant on the part of the mods here. Describing this as censorship is way off the mark.

Amiga Community can be compared to a bucket of rainwater that is long in the sun. The fresh water lies on top and dirt settle to the bottom.
As the sun shines the water evaporates at the top more and more. In the end, it is more dirt than water in the bucket.
To save the situation, we can not just remove the dirt we have to apply more water so that we have just the right mix of dirt and water.

Amiga Community all participants are often very good people. But the more time passes, disappears more and more of the participants of known cause. Now it remains for many of the Amiga community members who likes to pen fencing. Some are such that they simply feel good to criticize everything they encounter, not much to do about. The result is that more people leave the community. Some leave just because nothing happens that drives the Amiga forward and so on.

The only way to change the present state is to add more members! How do you do that?
One way to add more members (= more interested in the Amiga) is when a big player entering and participating in the Amiga community that has Amiga-related sales. Commodore is one such actor. Now that they stretch out a hand and really shows that they want to participate in the community, we will take down the chances of it can become something big out of it.

What answer AW.net on this?
Well they relegates these topics into the cellar where they have not heard or seen. The idea is that there could Discussion and the fractions resulting from the forums because there's so much dirt in the bucket last for no man seeing it.
Good idea, like many, because then the Commodore after all be here.
But how does the other side?
Fully really see it as being trapped in the basement among the rats (note that it is figuratively described).

It is not the recipient of a new fresh player who stretches out his hand to hear!
After I thought about this carefully, I must say that such acceptance is unpleasant, arrogant and shows, against all common sense and the senses, how great the Amiga Community thinks he is.

The truth is that the Amiga community is very small, loosely cohesive group of people who constantly decreasing in proportion.

Something needs to be done but it does not include being rude and arrogant towards new players.

Soon it's just dirt left in the bucket that goes around and think they are crystal clear water from a mountain stream!

How many members has "the crystal clear water" pushed on the door?

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@linnar

How long you and other cusa fans will miss the whole point of all that anti-cusa stuff ? The point is not that no one want new usersting, or not that noone want something fresh, the point is that cusa:

- ego centric
- non cultural
- rude
- can't talk normally with potencial customers and with current amiga users
- personal attacking

That (and only that) already enough to put cusa and all that stuff to trash. The same any other company, be it hyperion, or mos-team, or aros-team, if they will do the same and talk the same as cusa

The second part is:

- they do nothing
- they trying to fool ppls by solding linux with walpaper. we all can install linux right now, who care ?
- they do nothing, i mean really nothing which can have any rational and logical help for any of the current amiga teams/companies/ppls ho do support of all that agonic amiga-stuff.

Why you all the time repeat the same and same about "they will help attract ppls" , while they will cleary not, because they unproffesonals, they rude, they un-friendly, they nothing from nothing.

Be it cusa, or shmusa, or any other company which will do the same, ppls will react the same. And not only in amiga community, but everythere.

Go on atari forums, and say "soon ther will be new TOS" , and then give them linux with TOS walpaper (and stole that one of course). What you will expect from them ?

Aw.net give much, much a lot too much of tolerancy to all that crap called cusa, which every sane person understand right after few first threads. They not ban them for one year (while all the other sites do it already). They give them special subforum (holy, i can't belive that admins of aw.net, really, i mean really think that cusa can do anything normal). And you all still found the rights to complain ?

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@linnar

I have seen no evidence yet, that they are a big player.
And as I have already stated, they have produced nothing for the Amiga community.
If that changes, then no doubt their situation will be reviewed.

We have been here before with big promises that came to nothing
Just have a little look at this list of shame.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=23127&forum=2#621574

I'll keep an open mind and will wait and see what happens next.
What I won't be doing is getting the red carpet out and treating Barry like he is the new messiah before he has produced anything for the Amiga community.

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@linnar

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How many members has "the crystal clear water" pushed on the door?

While there obviously are people eager to critise anything and everything (including progress in Amiga hw and sw) CUSA has given too much to be critsed for and did nothing.

Seeing even less handful of CUSA fans at Commodore Amiga.org as "bucket of fresh water" is similarly illusional. These are mostly the same peple seen before including exec, wolf to the moon, middleman, aussie (mr.Negro) and you. You just have one more forum.

You are right about need for need blood, but again, beside "wanna be pretending" and licence for name, CommodoreUSA hasn`t making any more Commodores (or Amigas when do so) then scandal with Amiga pad being just another pad with a sticker. Beside building the C64x case which is so far only design by CUSA.

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@kas1e

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kas1e wrote: @linnar How long you and other cusa fans will miss the whole point of all that anti-cusa stuff ? The point is not that no one want new usersting, or not that noone want something fresh, the point is that cusa: - ego centric - non cultural - rude - can't talk normally with potencial customers and with current amiga users - personal attacking That (and only that) already enough to put cusa and all that stuff to trash. The same any other company, be it hyperion, or mos-team, or aros-team, if they will do the same and talk the same as cusa The second part is: - they do nothing - they trying to fool ppls by solding linux with walpaper. we all can install linux right now, who care ? - they do nothing, i mean really nothing which can have any rational and logical help for any of the current amiga teams/companies/ppls ho do support of all that agonic amiga-stuff. Why you all the time repeat the same and same about "they will help attract ppls" , while they will cleary not, because they unproffesonals, they rude, they un-friendly, they nothing from nothing. Be it cusa, or shmusa, or any other company which will do the same, ppls will react the same. And not only in amiga community, but everythere. Go on atari forums, and say "soon ther will be new TOS" , and then give them linux with TOS walpaper (and stole that one of course). What you will expect from them ? Aw.net give much, much a lot too much of tolerancy to all that crap called cusa, which every sane person understand right after few first threads. They not ban them for one year (while all the other sites do it already). They give them special subforum (holy, i can't belive that admins of aw.net, really, i mean really think that cusa can do anything normal). And you all still found the rights to complain ?

The main issue of my long posts not on the Commodore but AW.net and Amiga Community's future.
Without new members will soon disappear.

It has nothing to do with my possible support to the Commodore to do. It just was Commodore who reached out this time.

Opinions about Commodore machines and os is personal and it's fine to have. If you knew my opinion of Cos then you would be surprised.

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@linnar

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The main issue of my long posts not on the Commodore but AW.net and Amiga Community's future. Without new members will soon disappear.

Of course. But cusa is no solution in current form at all and in whole. New ppls will come here only when any of our oses (but not linux, because everyone already own linux and use it when they want), will give something cool. Like good software, intersting api, virus-mallware-less, stability , and no-one single freeze of system every and at all. Add to that cheap HW and all the other bonuses, and then, new ppls will come.

But not cusa with their strange ideas, not linux under amiga sticker, not aos4/mos/aros until they will freeze whole system because of anything will bring there any real (and not freaks) users.

All what cusa can do, its make some users think that nothing except lables and stickers on linux here. and those users will loose interest fast , without going deep into , just because they can download linux everythere, as well as milions of amiga related themes, wallpapers and icons.

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Seeing even less handful of CUSA fans at Commodore Amiga.org as "bucket of fresh water" is similarly illusional. These are mostly the same peple seen before including exec, wolf to the moon, middleman, aussie (mr.Negro) and you. You just have one more forum.

I have logs that state otherwise. ;)

About 486 users on the site were merely users saving their names.

Roughly about 300 Unique users per week login. Is it hugely popular no. Is it on par with many other Amiga sites? Sadly yes.

Now if you'd like to know about unique visits that however is a different story. And completely different logs :D

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Roughly about 300 Unique users per week login. Is it hugely popular no. Is it on par with many other Amiga sites? Sadly yes.

Nice. What eyes can see is less traffic then on other Amiga oriented websites, even Commodore Amiga forum comes ahead of all other community web sites in plain search of Amiga or Amiga forum (probably better meta tags and domain name).

Unique visitors? Comparing account names and very few new faces to be seen. Most of posters there are CUSA promoters here (or is it other way around?).

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kas1e wrote: @linnar Quote: The main issue of my long posts not on the Commodore but AW.net and Amiga Community's future. Without new members will soon disappear. Of course. But cusa is no solution in current form at all and in whole. New ppls will come here only when any of our oses (but not linux, because everyone already own linux and use it when they want), will give something cool. Like good software, intersting api, virus-mallware-less, stability , and no-one single freeze of system every and at all. Add to that cheap HW and all the other bonuses, and then, new ppls will come. But not cusa with their strange ideas, not linux under amiga sticker, not aos4/mos/aros until they will freeze whole system because of anything will bring there any real (and not freaks) users. All what cusa can do, its make some users think that nothing except lables and stickers on linux here. and those users will loose interest fast , without going deep into , just because they can download linux everythere, as well as milions of amiga related themes, wallpapers and icons.

I understand exactly your vision!

But it is based on the belief that the Commodore is a bunch of buffoons. They are not clowns, country from there. They have a solid view of the Amiga just like everyone else here. They also tried to start a development of their business based on the current os, but with x86 hardware. Therefore, they were interested in Aros when Hyperion not want porting OS4 to x86. Unfortunately Hyperion stopped all such plans with Amiga-like OS. The agreement between AmigaInc and Hyperion may not Amiga-like OS is available in a machine named "Amiga". Even if the Commodore is developing the self altogether. They have contracts with AmigaInc (so far) and the contract will stop by the Commodore Amiga-like OS. About Hyperion allows Commodore to use Amiga-like OS would have been a different story. But they do not allow it.

After the close, steady inquiries ko0m they concluded that the best (and only) way to go is to start from the beginning to the day level with today's requirements in mind. Even companies with very much resources will the idea to build my own os from scratch. This is where the Amiga Inc ideas from the past to build a future Amiga OS on Linux for x86 comes into play.

If I understood correctly as regards the Commodore to allow development of Commodore os vision beyond the boundaries of Linux to reach a completely own os.

But do not be impatient, do not say that the Commodore has no Amiga-like because it will and it's much, much more than many people dare to believe.

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@linnar

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But do not be impatient, do not say that the Commodore has no Amiga-like because it will and it's much, much more than many people dare to believe

It's sentences like this that just irritate.
And it has to be said this type of statement comes more from CUSA supporters than all of the Amiga camps combined

How do you know it will?
Do you have some information we haven't or is it just blind optimisim?
If it's just an opinion, make it clear that's all it is.

Statements like that with nothing to back it up, is part of the reason accusations of spamming are made against CUSA.

On the other hand if you do know something, why not share it with the rest of us?

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@linnar

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But it is based on the belief that the Commodore is a bunch of buffoons. They are not clowns, country from there. They have a solid view of the Amiga just like everyone else here. They also tried to start a development of their business based on the current os, but with x86 hardware. Therefore, they were interested in Aros when Hyperion not want porting OS4 to x86. Unfortunately Hyperion stopped all such plans with Amiga-like OS. The agreement between AmigaInc and Hyperion may not Amiga-like OS is available in a machine named "Amiga". Even if the Commodore is developing the self altogether. They have contracts with AmigaInc (so far) and the contract will stop by the Commodore Amiga-like OS. About Hyperion allows Commodore to use Amiga-like OS would have been a different story. But they do not allow it.

i don't think that is an accurate accounting of history. barry made his views on AROS abundantly clear in more than one posting on this and other sites. whether hyperion cared one way or another is immaterial, especially if we consider barry's words at face value; AROS would never have been bundled if the CEO felt that strongly against it.

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If I understood correctly as regards the Commodore to allow development of Commodore os vision beyond the boundaries of Linux to reach a completely own os. But do not be impatient, do not say that the Commodore has no Amiga-like because it will and it's much, much more than many people dare to believe.

this has been hinted at by more than one CUSA enthusiast, but, as far as i know, nothing stated publicly from either leo or barry backs that up. by bundling amiga forever with their systems they allow their customers an easy path to use OS3.x via E-UAE like many other PC users, so that could add to our community. beyond that, though, i see no evidence of anything 'unique' in their current or planned bundled OS. they currently offer two options, neither of which they support directly. to go from that situation to something totally new seems a bit out of place given their resources.

time will tell, of course.

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@vox

Of those 300 logins 95% are not from these forums.

As for traffic I'd imagine it's right in line with the rest of the Amiga sites except EAB.

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sundown wrote: @Franko Quote: Owe #6 an apology for what !!! that they don't have anything Amiga on their site !!! I see you either didn't read what I wrote or you are too dumb to understand it, there, I said it.... THAT SERVER WAS OWNED BT AMIGA, INC, how much more Amiga, Inc can it get? Why the site changed is anyones guess right now, get it?, doubt it...but I am sure you'll have something witty to say about it. Wouldn't bother me at all if it was gone for good, but it could mean something else has happened in Amigaland.

I see you're too dumb to understand too or didn't read what I wrote, there I said it & Albert the squirrel said it too...

"Fair enough but the new site Amiga.com points too doesn't actually have anything Amiga on it... seems pretty pointless to me..". I know it was A.incs site before but now it aint and now it's got sod all "Amiga" related on it, how much less Amiga can that get (and don't say CUSA)...

Anwhoo here's a wee peom...

Roses are Red,
Sundown is Yellow
Take a chill pill
Relax and be mellow
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ChrisH wrote: @Franko[quote] Here is a hopefully better selection of words (I've spent a little more time thinking these up than the last lot!) : Drama queen, attention seeker, rude, nasty, blunt, two faced, social arsonist.

Well seeing as how we're proposing new worlds to replace "Troll", "Flaming" etc... here's mine...

Tube, Bawbag, Numptie, Dunderheid, Guttersnipe, Pizza Face, Diddy, Wahoo, Glaikit, Greetin faced, Crabbit, Baw heid, Bampot, Daftie, Eejit, Doolally, Feartie, Gob $hite, Haddie, Jessie, Gowk, Heid ra baw, Baw Juggler, Joby, Mingin, Muppet, Pie eater, Radge, Spangle ...

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@Hondo

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Hondo wrote: @Franko Quote: Are me meds not working anymore... Don't worry man....just get out here on a daily basis and get your fix! It's a shame you didn't participate for the last 12 years out here in amigaland You would have loved it

Not sure if the bus goes past your way, I'll need to ask the driver...

Didn't realise everyone in your country was nuts too, I've gotta go all the way to the chemists to get my meds but it sounds like they just hand em out on the streets where you live...

You must have a really caring health service over there...

PS: I've always lived in Amigaland it's just only recently they reached my cave with the broadband cable...

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No, Gary never owned superhosts.net, that was created by John (aka WarNPeace or simply War) as Amiga Inc's DNS. OMG, this is bringing back so many memories of that time period.

Ah, thanks for the update on the server ownership. Indeed, there were better times & I miss them & maybe thats the problem today, we all want to return to the good old days, but we can't.

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You should be relieved now:

http://amiga.com/

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@number6

The shop is still closed.

anyway, this thread is for discussing news and changes on this site, not another sites

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