@puppy

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puppy wrote: Many of us are lacking accelerator boards. Let's join 500 people and ask to upgrade our old machines, C= will do if we are 500. Let's place new ppc onto our beloved machines !!!

This is where my thoughts were going.

I suggest resurrecting the AmiJoe project. Supposedly there were working prototypes, but there was an issue with the memory interface. Dave Haynie probably wouldn't mind the project if there were guaranteed sales.

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@metal

i ve already made a poll here:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34807&forum=44&24
which desnt show up on a front page as demanded.
you can make suggestions there if your option is missing.

i appreciate your effort, but if you start asking people for initial input you will end up like the newsitem thread, in non overseeable amount of proposals each one different from the other, page for page. difficult to choose from. you have to give an direction yourself and adjust afterwards, finally you can make make more detailed inquiries when some clear polarization can be observed.

just my opinion.

@thread

I fail to see the point in this entire exercise.

A company must have a vision. Something that burns in the gut of owners, drives them to innovate and deliver a better mouse trap.

I don't see that here. I see a company asking potential customers for their vision. Where is the focus?

This is a recipe for failure.

@wawa

We need ONE person to lead al of this I think...

I'm just trying, cause noone seemed to do anything.

So where do we go from here ? any sugestions anyone ?

ps, your poll seems very generic to me, imo we need first a brainstorm session, and then set up a very basic poll like what OS, then what CPU, then more and more specific. And work from there.

But better ideas are welcome ofcourse....

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@gregthecanuck

Only suggestions please, post in the other thread for that kind of posts

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@Metalheart

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- Fund or hire coders with the single purpose of porting important apps

I'm extremely dubious about all this but

- Fund or hire coders with the single purpose of WRITING important apps.

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@all

Assume anything is possible for the moment, until we can confirm otherwise.
If we encounter any roadblocks we'll tell you what they are, well before any money is spent.
If the roadblock is insurmountable, then the community might have to decide on something else.

Just to make clear. We don't see a cent until the product is completed....you lose nothing....and you even get the product at cost.
There are no t-shirts or coupons.
We don't handle the money, or touch a credit card.

We know the project goals aren't going to get decided in a day, a week, or maybe even a month. Who knows how long it will take....
Anything of any significance is unlikely to be decided in the short term.

We have made a genuine offer, to get the project the community desires most kickstarted and potentially accelerated.
Something that can hopefully create focus and unite at least the majority of the community on a common goal.
We provided some conditions of course, because we are taking this seriously.
Why should we lose money on this?
What would be the point? We are a business, not a charity.

We aren't dictating to you what the project must be.
We're keeping right out of it until the community can maturely reach a decision.
Some have said this isn't possible...... Prove them wrong.....

If I have but one general request....I would prefer the product to have the possibility of expanding a user base.

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@BigBentheAussie

Thanks you for your clarification (what already should have been clear by now) but this thread is only about suggestions.

Please all do not start discussions here !

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@Metalheart

there seem to be users mainly interested in the "pure" solution (just offered cheaper and with "Amiga" on it)

68k hardware (FPGA Arcade and Natami)
AmigaOS (PPC)
MorphOS (PPC)?
Aros (X86) with further investments

then some want AmigaOS on X86 or ARM (I think that is not very realistic because expensive)

then "Kombis" one hardware running more than one OS

f.e. a PPC computer with adapted Versions of AmigaOS and MorphOS and Aros
or my personal favourite Natami with added PowerPC-Cards and adapted Versions (that would unify all camps on one hardware)

my favourite would be a Kombi-solution because the pure solutions would propably only attract a limited number of users/developers

@Metalheart

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We need ONE person to lead al of this I think... I'm just trying, cause noone seemed to do anything.

statement worthy a metal fan,
so*DO* lead, rater than ask others..

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@OlafS25

Yes a combi solution... One HW platform to run them all (ehm, sounds familiar ? )

-Negotiate both PPC OS's to run on one line of HW solutions. (more sales, lower prices)
-Perhaps even AROS on that platform.
-With a minimig or Natami on a PCI card for classic compatibility.

As much as I and others would like it, x86 OS4 seems very far fetched... But hey they said 'everything goes'

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@Metalheart

hybrid solutions are too complicated. stay clearly choosing alternatives.

@wawa

I'm not a leader, do not want to be.....

Just wanted to kickstart things. But we'll see

thnks

>hybrid solutions are too complicated. stay clearly choosing alternatives.

Right now all options are open. we'll sort them out later on !

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@gregthecanuck

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A company must have a vision. Something that burns in the gut of owners, drives them to innovate and deliver a better mouse trap. I don't see that here. I see a company asking potential customers for their vision. Where is the focus?

remember: "you will tell us what to use X for?"
evaluating options and interest on the other hand is usually part of good commercial strategy.

Last edited by wawa on 20-Dec-2011 at 11:00 PM.

Keeping in mind the 6 month deadline, I don't think porting something huge like OpenOffice or designing new hardware are feasible. IMHO the best chance for success is to take an existing board that's already in production, design an enclosure for it (CUSA has experience with that) and bundle it with an *existing* OS (so no OS4 on ARM). The poll choices will then be what existing board to use and what enclosure design. As far as architecture is concerned, that will come naturally from the chosen board; there can be x86, ARM and PPC boards to choose from.

@Metalheart

I like the desktop cases from this picture

My suggestions ...

1) A desktop computer using the 2nd desktop case + SAM460 + AmigaOS 4.1

-or-

2) A notebook similar to MacBook Air capable of running AmigaOS or MorphOS or AROS or QNX or Linux. I do not know if such a thin notebook could be built with a PPC processor. This would give a choice of OS and could be seen an Olive branch extended to all factions.

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@Metalheart

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Right now all options are open. we'll sort them out later on !

very well, but dont get lost in details and dialectics at the very start.

my input:
plan minimum:
an amiga style keyboard (and perhaps standard form factor case) suitable for all amiga ng solutions.
plan maximum:
updated fpga 68k-style amiga system burnt into a fast asic around 1ghz (including the above) with pci expansion.
whichever system will run on it has to be seen, id prefer open source, since i dont trust haperion to carry on all alone. ppc and gfx extensions may go into pci. plain and simple, however sure much too tough.

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@CodeSmith

I sense we are already steering in some direction.

Taking into acount time and money restraints, bundeling stuff seems the way to go. Not designing anything from scratch.

Perhaps just taking an existing product or prototype or product design like the Amijoe, or whatever is the way to go. Just have to concentrate on drivers and that kind of stuff. Ofcourse licenses have to be negotiated.

Look at the upcoming netbook. An existing product with an adaptyed OS4 for it.

So perhaps take an Galaxy Tab, negotiate with Apple for Rosetta (wishfull thinking) or that other PPC emulator-I forgot its name- get a license to run OS4 on it, write drivers (wasnt there a working touchscreen driver for OS4 already ?) for the touchscreen and there you go !

A lot of negotiating, but possible ?

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@redrumloa

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I suggest resurrecting the AmiJoe project.

Shall we restart production the non ROHS board called the Pegasos 2 while we're at it?

@redfox

Yep, that's the sort of thing I'm talking about. There's absolutely no reason why CUSA can't simply be a reseller for A-Eon and ACube, putting their boards in good-looking Amiga enclosures. This doesn't have to be a zero sum game, where if CUSA "wins" someone else has to "lose".