Freescale formalizes the end of PowerPC

http://www.appuntidigitali.it/17894/freescale-ex-motorola-ufficializza-la-fine-dei-powerpc/

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@AmigaBlitter

If I understand the translation right there is only IBM left that is only producing processors for their servers.

Game consols were using PPC, what model do they use and from which producer?

@AmigaBlitter

The same matter was discussed in Freescale thread a while ago.


My post about the same.

My studies of the matter.

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Wii U uses PPC, the rest might use some other... not seen any facts yet, but it seems a x86 cores with integrated GPU might be the way for M$ and Sony.

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then propably "dawn" is for PPC now finally (a little melodramatic ).

@KimmoK

This dude has greatly criticized (in other articles) next gen Amiga PPC, x1000 and amigaone 500.

It's seems to be involved (sigh) in the software side of TiNA (the italian new amiga in FPGA).

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Isin't there a lot of other companies developing powerpc cores?

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AmigaBlitter wrote: @KimmoK This dude has greatly criticized (in other articles) next gen Amiga PPC, x1000 and amigaone 500.

So what? If you think that I made false statements, leave a message and correct me.
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It's seems to be involved (sigh) in the software side of TiNA (the italian new amiga in FPGA).

Again, so what? Be clear, please.

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cheesegrate wrote: Isin't there a lot of other companies developing powerpc cores?

IBM, of course, and some others like Xilinx makes use of PPC cores to support their FPGA.

AMCC has moved to ARMs some time ago.

I don't know others.

@eliyahu

at least the situation is a little "unclear"

""We still do have products based on other architectures, but virtually 100 percent of our research and development is directed toward 32-bit ARM-based (chips)," Lees said."

http://www.statesman.com/news/business/freescale-makes-changes-for-stronger-push-into-arm/nTkjs/

and here:
http://www.linleygroup.com/newsletters/newsletter_detail.php?num=4855

"Freescale announced plans to develop and sell QorIQ processors using ARM Cortex-A7 and Cortex-A15 CPUs. Until now, the QorIQ line has been the exclusive domain of the company’s Power CPUs."

But here:
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4375606/Freescale-adopts-ARM-cores-in-QorIQ-line

"ARM will not replace Power cores for Freescale, at least in the foreseeable future. The company said it has long-term plans to continue designing and supporting Power cores."

But who knows...

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eliyahu wrote: @thread people are completely misunderstanding the article, which isn't surprising given the way it was written. let me be as clear as i possibly can be: freescale has not, is not, and will not stop investing in the power.org ecosystem. the quote about 'nearly 100% of R&D going into 32-bit ARM products' relates to parts destined for clients' consumer-focused systems.

Looking at the previous sentences, the context wasn't bound to the so called "IoT".

In fact:

"Microcontrollers are processing chips that have their own software program embedded in the chip. Freescale and its predecessor have made billions of them for many, many years. The good news for Freescale is that supporting fewer chip architectures means more engineering focus, which should tend to speed up the product development cycles. The two most important of its remaining chip architectures are Power and ARM."

and so on, 'til the:

"virtually 100 percent of our research and development is directed toward 32-bit ARM-based (chips)"

It's a generic discussion, as I said, so I was not wrong. Check the article again...
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freescale has invested a small fortune in its AMP-series alone, and the vast majority of its current customer base is interested in PPC SoCs and microcontrollers. ARM is not the be-all-end-all declared by 'experts' by any stretch of the imagination. it does well in the segments it targets, and those segments happen to be high-visibility, like tablets and smartphones, so everyone things ARM is the most important thing out there. it ain't. not by a long shot. i don't normally comment on discussions here or elsewhere on POWER-related threads because by and large they consist of half-baked views of people who have absolutely no genuine idea what they're talking about, but this is so far out there, even for this place, that i felt i needed to chime in. the power.org ecosystem is very healthy, growing, and has a bright future. that doesn't mean that the amiga wouldn't benefit from migrating to another platform; it doesn't mean that the amiga wouldn't benefit by staying based on POWER given what's coming down the pipe, but the power.org world is doing well and will continue to do well in the market segments it targets. if you think freescale doesn't believe in POWER, you've got another thing coming. -- eliyahu

Freescale will continue to produce PowerPCs, of course, because it has invested so much, as you said. So there'll be PowerPCs for years.

But without R&D investments, there'll be no future for PowerPCs, in terms of improvements: you'll stick with the existing solutions.

@cdimauro

quick ot:
if you are involved in seeking fpga solution for the next gen amiga (68k), you may be interested in this thread and the ideas therein:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=63800
this is about fpga or hybride accel, but the experience should be shared i think.

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wawa wrote: @cdimauro quick ot: if you are involved in seeking fpga solution for the next gen amiga (68k), you may be interested in this thread and the ideas therein: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=63800 this is about fpga or hybride accel, but the experience should be shared i think.

I'm not an FPGA developer, but I'll forward it to the right people. Thanks! :)

@cdimauro

"If you think that I made false statements, leave a message and correct me."

Higly criticized doesn't mean false statement.

"It's seems to be involved (sigh) in the software side of TiNA (the italian new amiga in FPGA)."

If not, sorry. I saw you offered help in the CPU or software side. If not, sorry again.

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eliyahu wrote: @cdimauro i didn't base my post on that article. i based it on discussions i have with engineers and managers at freescale on a regular basis as part of my position at my place of employment. there is significant monies being spent on future PPC products at freescale currently and significant monies as part of their multi-year roadmap. the article should not be taken as correct.

Unfortunately I can only access articles like that, where Freescale's people make public statemenrs.
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both you and the author

I'm the author.
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are taking a single quote and coming to an incorrect conclusion about it.

As I said, I read the full article. The quote was just an extract, and the context is general enough. So I haven't made an incorrect conclusion.
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i'll say it again: there is significant development on future PPC products at freescale currently and will continue to be so. -- eliyahu

The same doesn't comes out from the full article.

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Perfect. I wait for the correction.

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AmigaBlitter wrote: @cdimauro "If you think that I made false statements, leave a message and correct me." Higly criticized doesn't mean false statement.

OK
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"It's seems to be involved (sigh) in the software side of TiNA (the italian new amiga in FPGA)." If not, sorry. I saw you offered help in the CPU or software side. If not, sorry again.

I offered my help, for the things that I can do and I've expertize.

But I don't understand your "(sigh)".

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