Good time to think recovery CD/DVD creating methodes for the rest of x1000 owners... (+SAM owners, like me)

Perhaps AmiDVD can do it already if one simply burns DH0 to DVD?

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@KimmoK

Simple, just select your system partition, give it a name, click "Bootable" & either burn an iso or "on the fly" for the x1000. You might need to click U_Boot as well on the SAM, haven't tried it yet, but did need to with the micro. You should end up with a bootable CD/DVD.

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@KimmoK

What "methods"? You can do this for ages. I have more than one bootable "recovery" CD (you don't need a DVD) for my Sam and my Pegasos II. One of the first things I did with my X1000 was burning a bootable CD incl. the HD drivers and *test it*!

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@sundown

No, the "U-Boot" switch is only for U-Boot flash! It's irrelevant for AmigaOS.

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@cha05e90

Not true, I tried all combinations on the Micro & those 2 switches, only CD that would boot was the one with both switches on. Didn't make sense to me, but I didn't care, as long as the CD booted, saved my tail a few times.

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@cha05e90

"You can do this for ages"
Then a persistent reminder for lazybones to do the freaking bootable CD in the first place.

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@KimmoK

How do i make a bootable cd on my Peg 2 ? update 4.1.6

@KimmoK

Or a Recover USB Memory Stick .

http://wiki.amigaos.net/index.php/UserDoc:How_AmigaOS_Works#How_to_make_a_Bootable_USB_Memory_Stick_for_AmigaOS_4.1

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KimmoK wrote: Good time to think recovery CD/DVD creating methodes for the rest of x1000 owners... (+SAM owners, like me) Perhaps AmiDVD can do it already if one simply burns DH0 to DVD?

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@Kicko

Did you buy your X1000 whit debug serial port? Maybe you can use it to check what is going on.

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@cha05e90

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No, the "U-Boot" switch is only for U-Boot flash! It's irrelevant for AmigaOS.

Should be irrelevant for X1000, CFE.

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@cha05e90

The U-Boot switch is for booting a CD from power up in UBoot. Otherwise you'd need to boot with a Kickstart already loaded. So in this case relevant for AmigaOS to boot from scratch.

It sets the SLB as the boot block code.

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@Kicko Please don't go swapping out memory without good reason. The X1000 uses high quality HyperX 1066mhz memory and there is no merit in changing hardware without a good reason.

It would seem like a reasonable step normally to try different memory so long as its within spec. He's not looking to run long term on what he borrows, he is trying to see if he has bad memory preventing boot.

I'm confused at what you would deem "good reason"? That said I am not familiar with the X1000 warranty. Is a customer not to take any steps with hardware and just send in for repair?

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@fairlanefastback

I don't know if there is a rule to what you try first, but I guess you start whit the simple things, like is things plugged inn, then maybe backup battery and then PSU and then RAM. When it comes to X1000 everything is hot glued and should not have fallen out of place.

Ask questions before you start to do stuff are probably the best advice, anyway everything points to PSU as this point, we just have to wait and see, if that was the case.

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@sundown

Interesting - my Sam only needs the "AmigaOS" switch to boot from CD, the "U-Boot" switch is used for booting into the U-Boot flash process.

@Hypex

Ahem - maybe I should do a fresh boot CD for my Sam.

Booting from cold boot into a AmigaOS@BootCD AFAIK only requires the "AmigaOS" boot switch in AmiDVD - and yes, this sets a "boot block"/SLB onto the CD which is needed to load Kickstart from the CD. If you don't set the "AmigaOS" switch it only burns a ordinary data CD. But maybe I'm wrong here (I really should make a fresh boot CD for my Sam...).

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@kicko

Sorry to hear about this and good luck getting it working again.
My 1st guess though, much as with others is power supply. Just because it'll power up, fans start, et doesnt mean its not broken. My Amithlon box power supply had me baffled for a while. While powering on would start fans (system, gfx card, case) and all light came on, etc. I would get no display. Every now and again, seemingly out of the blue the machine would start up and would behave perfectly, but as soon as it was powered down "irregularly" (ie., from power fluctuation for a second or 2), turning off power at wall, etc.) for a seemingly random amount of time it'd refuse to do anything other than turn ligts and fans on. I could also turn off the machine by holding down power button for 5 seconds.

Had me baffled for a while, but it turned out to be a power supply that for some reason wasnt completely grounded. Unfortunately it killed my mobo just as I discovered this.

Have you tried that power supply with a different machine?

@fairlanefastback

I had the exact same thought. Seems a pretty decent reason to me (ie. eliminaing the possibility of it being a ram problem by testing other ram,..... pretty much how things are done. Strip down to a bare essentials system and use a process of elimination on components).

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fishy_fis wrote: @fairlanefastback I had the exact same thought. Seems a pretty decent reason to me (ie. eliminaing the possibility of it being a ram problem by testing other ram,..... pretty much how things are done. Strip down to a bare essentials system and use a process of elimination on components).

Yep, totally agree. I could however see a manufacturer of such a rare system placing what we would all view as a more antiquated warranty scheme on such a product (i.e. warranty void if product opened). I could especially see that if they don't maintain much of a spare inventory for warranty repairs.

But if that is not the case I find amigakit's response perplexing indeed.

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It would seem like a reasonable step normally to try different memory so long as its within spec.

Have you never used "Next Gen" Amiga hardware? They have always been rather picky about what memory they work with. I believe that the Sam460 & X1000 are much better in this regard, but probably not perfect, so it still seems silly to blindly replace known-working RAM with RAM that *may* not even be compatible. Especially when RAM almost never fails (unless you start poking fingers at them without earthing yourself first!).

In fact I would not advise randomly replacing parts in *any* computer system that has stopped working, be it Amiga, PC, Mac, or whatever. You first need to perform some diagnostics to get an idea where the problem lies, or otherwise you risk making the problem worse (as happened in this case), or at least greatly confusing the situation (very definitely this case).

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@ChrisH
i think everybody knows very well that the moment whichever computer breaks down it is difficult to maintain calm and systematic procedere. the more so if the machine in question is rare and valuable. also how to proceed is a matter of opinion if there is no service at hand, or it is very remote. project like x1k involves a lot of uncertanities, on one hand the customer is advised not to mess with configuration, on the other it is encouraged to do exactly this, if he wants to take an advantage of advertised features such as xena or xorro. well, he is actually supposed to replace his gfx card if he wants to take advantage of latest drivers supplied by the vendor. so the situation is pretty unclear and some sort of goodwill must be expected. btw, im not sure but i recall that xorro and pci-e slot have the same form factor. theoretically, could mistaking the both lead to a board damage?

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im not sure but i recall that xorro and pci-e slot have the same form factor. theoretically, could mistaking the both lead to a board damage?

You could fit a x1 PCIe card in the Xorro slot but it would be impossible to fit a x16 card in there.

I believe Trevor & AmigaKit are dealing with the problem at this time, no word on what the problam actually is. The other problem is overload of advice, & that can lead to confusion, worse damage to a system.

My feeling is, we need a troubleshooting procedure for situations like this, to help seperate a bd problem from cards/memory/PSU.

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