On some of my x86 setups I have found out that fastest and most reliable way to save energy is to shutdown+poweroff and the restart and let linux to reopen apps+files that I was using previously.
(hibernation/sleep often cause some HW driver to not to restart properly and loading RAM image was slower than clean reboot)

So, I hope we one day again have faster boot (some of my classic setups managed to boot in 5...7 seconds).
Nowdays with 1000* more cpu power and bandwidth we should aim below 3 seconds boot times (with the help of our custom HW).

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@sicky

My Sam460ex takes 1 Minute 14 Seconds.
Need to check this oneout
Sam440ep-Flex 44 seconds .

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@delshay

A1200 ROM sockets only support upto 1MB Roms the OS4.1 kernel alone is bigger than that. To fit the entire OS4.1 kickstart into a flashrom your looking at ~ 10MB
The modules are ppc so it would still require a 68k bootloader and a reset to switch to ppc working from 68k. You can bzip kickstart modules to work with bootloader on the classic but is there anything to be gained from loading times vs' unpacking time ?

The best thing to do on an A1200 is fit a fastata MK4+ or boot the kickstart from the onboard IDE using an IDE2CF addaptor such as Individual computers TRUEIDE.

My A1200 Kickstart loads from CF using a TRUEIDE hanging off an IDEFIx Express then the system switches over to a sata SSD located on sii3114ide.device

P.S. From power on it boots into OS4.1 faster than than my X1000.

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@JurassicC

Ok so it seems it not possible to have OS4.x rom,but we could have a updated rom. I do have FastATA MkIII & Mk IV with CF card but would be better to have SCSI driver if speed is everything and will improve loading time of some big applications and not just the OS itself.

Maybe there could also be some speed improvement between FastATA firmware & kickstart rom.

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@BillE

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The answer is way too long

Actually I thought 52 secs was good. Mine is 1:40.

I have HD4890. Stanndard SATA HD.

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A-EON splash screen 8 sec

Now that's fast!

Yet you are 2 seconds behind sundown.

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I am sure something could be done in firmware to speed up the initial stages that crawl at 500MHz or so. I would understand on early alpha models but why is the CPU not running at 1800MHZ immediately.

I agree. I downloaded some CFE source code and to me the x86 emulator could be vastly improoed upon. Of course to me it looked like it was written to do the job but not do it well. IIRC it had a load of switch...case statements for each instruction decoding. You don't know what would be optimised if at all, Can't always trust the compiler to convert that into a look up jump table.

Also it would help if the emulator had a JIT engine. Sure there are examples around.

BTW the following is from anm "old" quad core 2.5Ghz Mac G5 with nVidia on PCIe and against these figures the X1000, even mine, doesn't look so bad. Mine is about 15 seconds to boot logo. But no sound.

0:00: Power on
0:05: Mac sound
0:10: Monitor still off
0:15: Still waiting...
0:20. Montior on! It starts to boot!
1:00 Desktop arrives.

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@Hypex

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Quote: A-EON splash screen 8 sec Now that's fast!

This may be due to using a cold reset rather than a cold power up, maybe the GFX card is already initialized ?

I cannot measure the time of the AEON screen from a total power up as the monitor is too slow in starting to show it, so the first thing I usually see is the OS4 boot logo. Progress for you, my old 19" 4:3 Viewsonic let me see the AEON screen after a power up but the newer fancy 24" 16:9 Viewsonic doesn't.

@Spectre660

My 460ex takes about 1 minute

@kyle

Switching bootloaders from Parthenope to SLB takes me down to
1 minute and 6 seconds .
I have the PCIex1 slot enable so I dont know if this slows things down a bit as well.


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@Spectre660

I alway thought the 460 would boot faster, but I guess you're using the Radion gfx driver, same as on the x1000. Do different gfx cards affect boot times on the 460?

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@Spectre660

I measure the boot of my 460 onther time: i takes exactly 1 minute and 6 second, just as yours

I have a SSD connected through sil3112 in the pci slot.
When onboard sata port will be fully supported the boot time will be faster

@sundown

I have only timed a Radeon HD 6670.
My Sam-flex also uses a Radeon HD6670.

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sundown wrote: @Spectre660 I alway thought the 460 would boot faster, but I guess you're using the Radion gfx driver, same as on the x1000. Do different gfx cards affect boot times on the 460?

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@sundown

ColdBoot : a1XE G4 800 loaded with everything and the uboot is speeded up for boot times, 39 seconds.

and it loads also wookiechat,ibrowse and yam on boot.

Warmboot: 14 seconds and yet again that is with yam,wookie and ibrowse in the startup script

boot times=not overrated! when you have to reboot all friggin day if you use it.


edit: i must add that yam is not ready right from the get go as it needs to fetch mails (my standard setting).
And wookiechat use a lot of time to connect to the various servers i am connected to.

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@sicky

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With my SAM460 37 secs to splash screen 55 secs to Workbench screen

Well, most of the time is eaten by initializing devices, and this is normal for modern motherboards and cannot be easily beaten down, unless there is some extended ROM that speeds it up (like they do nowadays to increase Windows 8 boot time).

Obviously AmigaOS loads in about 20 seconds.

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@BillE

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This may be due to using a cold reset rather than a cold power up, maybe the GFX card is already initialized ?

If you have a special one. Mine makes no difference. Same time from power on or reset.

What annoys me is when Linux breaks when booting or something goes wrong. When the machine reboots it gets stuck on the logo. I have to turn it off. Which is really annoying as it doesn't turn off instantly like an A1 would do.

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Progress for you,

Ha. Yeah my old 17" VS CRT takes about 2 seconds to screen up, my newer 19" VS LCD takes 8. I know what you mean!

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@Spectre660

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My Sam-flex also uses a Radeon HD6670.

How long before you see the UBoot ACube logo after power up?

@Hypex

At best improving the x86 emulator for the VGA BIOS will shave off a few seconds on the first handful of seconds until VGA is working. Not saying every bit doesn't help, but I would have thought a hard-coded register setting hand-optimized for the card you HAVE would be even more awesome. Not just for VGA, for everything that needs to be detected. And that one time per year when you change a card, deleting or disabling a setting to get the basic version again wouldn't be THAT much hassle.

But I might be wrong. Changing CFE and U-Boot to do more things simultaneously (so that the waiting times don't add up) would possibly help even more.

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@Hypex

11 seconds .

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Hypex wrote: @Spectre660 Quote: My Sam-flex also uses a Radeon HD6670. How long before you see the UBoot ACube logo after power up?

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@olegil

I quite agree. Given we can really only use one brand of chipset, even if different series are supported, it makes sense to instead store a "rese map" that is copied into the VGA registers. After all at startup all we need is generic VGA. If that could be brought up quickly while the card does it;s setup stuff in the background that would help.

For booting all we really need is generic VGA if that worked. You do make a good poiut, the X1000 is dual core, so why not thread out the setup routines?

Another thign that surprises me is how the card is reset on every machine reset. Why is this so? If the card is already setup and displaying a picture why go through the whole process again!? Infact if it was just reset once on powerup that woukld help a great deal on reboots.

@Spectre660

That's not too bad. 4 secs better than my X1000.

But a friends 440EP without a HD Radeon beats us both!

Perhaps more fair is how long does a modern PC with the same card take before there is a sign of life?

Seems they took out a good feature when creating these 3d chipsets. Instant display!

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@Hypex

I posted the wrong time.
The Sam flex is 9 seconds to Uboot dispaly and 11 seconds to Uboot menu.
My PC takes 15 seconds before any display .

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Hypex wrote: @Spectre660 That's not too bad. 4 secs better than my X1000. But a friends440EP without a HD Radeon beats us both! Perhaps more fair is how long does a modern PC with the same card take before there is a sign of life? Seems they took out a good feature when creating these 3d chipsets. Instant display!

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