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Canfod wrote: Ok, just played this demo a bit more..... turns out you can turn off the dumbed-down targeting system, so you just use the crosshairs..... much better! Totally overlooked that before. Seems a bit tougher than the original, at least on the 2nd difficulty level. Hopefully joystick/joypad use gets implemented properly(my Thrustmaster joypad does nothing, even after changing the settings in the input options window), because this kind of game just seems made for that kind of control scheme, rather than keyboard & mouse.

I tested it with an XBox360 controller and it worked very well!
Let's hope they consider being compatible also with generic pads

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most game developers are using game-engines (3D) like unity that offer all features and are cross-platform. Example for AROS is Antiryad Gx or Hollywood (as a kind of). So when they use one of these engines and this engine is not supporting "AmigaOS" then the code is more or less worthless. That is different for Linux of course because many engines support Linux.

So if people really want to donate in the hope to get a "AmigaOS" port they should ask if Cinemaware uses a off-the-shelf 3D engine and when yes which. And when they use a self-developed solution (what I do not believe) what they are using (f.e. MESA/Gallium, DirectX...). From the platforms they mention (f.e. Android) I would say they use a cross-platform 3D-Engine. But it is not clear from the description.

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The Cinemaware team are in the UK. Why then is the Kickstarter listed as Miami FL?

@OlafS25

The demo is based on Unity (an Unity logo appears when launching it), I guess the final version of the game will use it as well. I have sent a question to Cinemaware regarding the used game engine and how the game would be ported to AmigaOS, if I'll get an answer I'll post it here.

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Xmas87 wrote: The Cinemaware team are in the UK. Why then is the Kickstarter listed as Miami FL?

Cinemware in the 80's and 90's was an American company run by Americans. Jim Sachs, the famous gfx artist who drew the artwork in Defender of the Crown and various other games is an American.

Are you saying Cinemware sold out to someone in the UK?

Or are you mixing up Cinemaware with a UK team, like Team 17, or DMA Design (Rockstar)?

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Not mixing anything up. This new Cinemaware team are English with their offices in the UK. There is even a kickstarter award to visit them in the UK.

I am just not clear what the Miami FL link is...

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I am just not clear what the Miami FL link is...

Maybe that is where they will move to when they reach their goal! :)

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I cant find an address for them on their website.
They dont seem to be listed on the UK companies house or on the US EDGAR system.

Edit.
It seems that the UK link is hippoentertainment.com a Middlesborough company led by Darren, Matt and Jason Falcus. They have a historic link to Team17. Hippoentertainment have been a company since January 2013.

http://www.hippoentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/HippoEntertainmentLaunches.docx

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Cinemaware is owned by CW Entertainment LLC, Miami FL
1441 Brickell Avenue 15th Floor Miami, FL 33131, - , FL, .
Montero Wolkow LLP (Julian Montero & Ben Wolkov) and Wolfsangel (Ben Wolkov) are listed as manager and agent.

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@Varthall
Yes, all Unity. So a source-code release wouldn't be worth much more than a logic flowchart plus assets

Doesn't make too much sense. Don't understand the hype here, a straight port won't be possible with that (not to mention the technical problems due to not having a z-buffer at the moment). Would most likely result in a complete re-write anyway.

Luckily the general program-logic/-flow of Wings is rather trivial so writing something from scratch that somewhat behaves like the original wouldn't be too hard But for that nobody needs their sources...

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@Daytona675x

I have contacted Cinemaware about this issue: they have answered me that, if they'll have resources to spare, they'd like to sponsor a licence for a Unity port, although they can't guarantee it. This would probably be feasible only once Gallium will be available, as you suggested. If this will anyway happen, having a licensed Unity port will be a good thing, since all the stuff written with it will become portable. Failing that, even if the sources won't be useful, a part of the funding (5000$ to be divided between the Mac, Linux and AmigaOS ports) could be anyway used to sponsor a developer to make an AmigaOS version from scratch.
Regarding the hype, I think that some of us would really love to see this remake of Wings running on AmigaOS, me included :)

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@Varthall

"they'd like to sponsor a licence for a Unity port, although they can't guarantee it"

they make a contract on that they will sponsor it? If not it is cheap talking. Unity is a commercial 3D engine. I asked there regarding AROS some time ago and did not even get a answer. A 3D engine is in steady development so a one time porting is not enough, you also need to get updates. I do not think that (at least for now) any of our platforms is interesting enough to be supported. Perhaps this will change who knows but not at the moment. I do not want to hurt feelings but for people thinking commercial a platform like AmigaOS is less relevant than for you.

Who wants to donate should donate but not because he expects a AmigaOS port of Wings.

Thanks for the information about Unity. I didn't know that :-/

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@Varthall

Interesting about Unity. Could a license of Unity be funded via a "bounty" of sorts?

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Unity is big business.
You certainly won't get the source for a laughable amount of 5000$ or so. Add a 0 and you probably come closer Maybe...

IMHO it is total nonsense to hope for a Unity-port. And I think it is also nonsense to believe that even if we somehow really got access to its sources would really result in a working port. This would be such a huge pile of (almost unpaid) work. And let's not forget that, at least at the moment, AOS4 is just not capable of doing certain things.

That's what I really dislike about this Wings-Kickstarter-campaign:
I think that they create false hopes in the Amiga-department. Either they don't know what they're talking about or they make such unrealistic promises to squeeze some extra cash from the Amiganers' pockets.

That being said:
I appreciate a Wings-HD-remake, of course (who wouldn't ). I nevertheless can't stop wondering myself why the hell they need Unity for this. I mean, it's not as if this even scratches the possibilities Unity offers. If I were them I would code it straight down, no need to marry Unity here. Then it would be a source-code we could actually benefit from

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@Daytona675x

I would think the second, they know better but hope by creating hopes to get some extra cash. And they have not promised anything (in a legal sense).

And even if they would be honest, they would have to motivate the company behind unity to make a port of unity to AmigaOS and care for it (for perhaps 1000-2000 users). That is totally unrealistic. But if people want to believe they believe...

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can't stop wondering myself why the hell they need Unity for this

For faster development, and to reach 10 platforms in one go?

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For faster development, and to reach 10 platforms in one go?

Faster development?
Depends on wether you have experience or not. In that case here we don't talk about the next Unreal Tournament. We talk about a comparably simple 3D environment (asuming that it won't be too different to the original version / the current prototype version). You could actually throw all those few polys at todays GPUs without any optimizations and it would still run fast enough (most likely even on newer mobile devices). And the game-logic certainly won't win a complexity-price IMHO Unity only adds needless overhead in such a scenario, doesn't pay off.

10 platform in one go?
Yes, that's the next thing I wondered about. I mean IF they use Unity then why don't they use it right?
On the kickstarter-page the XBOX isn't mentioned at all. Neither is the Wii.
And Mac, Playstation etc. are ONLY offered if the pledge-limit is exceeded significantly. And Linux, although Unity supports it, will "only available to port".

Hm... So, while you are right that you could target lots of devices in one rush thanks to Unity - then why don't they do it? Really, a weirdo campaign

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@Daytona675x

I told them to contact your company if they were serious about an OS4.1 port based on the excellent job done with Battle Squadron.

Cope-Com did it the right way

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So does HunoPPC for other games

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elwood wrote: @klx300r So does HunoPPC for other games

+1, of course respect to our man HUNO btw, looking forward to receiving his recently released DVD from ACube!

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