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Re: Amiga's future, or lack of
Posted on 2-Aug-2014 8:39:33
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I think not. There is no CGX AGA driver in MorphOS and CGX 4 drivers are not compatible with CGX 5. CGX 5 compatible WinUAE driver is needed. Not impossible but not likely either. At least not until WinUAE can truly run PPC OS. _________________
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Re: Amiga's future, or lack of
Posted on 2-Aug-2014 11:34:19
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I think not. There is no CGX AGA driver in MorphOS and CGX 4 drivers are not compatible with CGX 5. CGX 5 compatible WinUAE driver is needed. Not impossible but not likely either. At least not until WinUAE can truly run PPC OS.
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Doesn't MorphOS have a Picasso IV driver? Winuae now Emulates the Picasso IV.
From 2.7 changelog.
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Cirrus Logic SVGA chip based hardware graphics board emulation.
- Use graphics board in emulated Amix, Linux, NetBSD and others.
- Use native CyberGraphX, Picasso96 and EGS RTG software in emulation.
- Emulates following boards: Picasso II, Picasso II+, Picasso IV (flash rom image required), Piccolo, Piccolo SD64 and EGS-28/24 Spectrum.
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Re: Amiga's future, or lack of
Posted on 2-Aug-2014 11:36:24
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Where is the damn like button....
Found it
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Re: Amiga's future, or lack of
Posted on 2-Aug-2014 12:25:11
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Oh, good point. It does:
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Graphics Cards
Voodoo 3 / 4 / 5 (with GRex)
SiS6326 and SiS305 (with GRex)
Permedia2 & Permedia2V (either BVisionPPC, CyberVisionPPC or GRex)
CyberVision 64/3D(68K driver)
CyberVision 64(68K driver)
Picasso IV(68K driver)
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Weird to run 68k driver in MorphOS which translates 68k code to PPC code and again WinUAE translates PPC code to x86 code 
But I think it is easier to get WinUAE to run PowerUp and WarpUp kernels before any PPC native OS. It is also more useful since it unlocks some games and demos you can't run elsewhere.
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Re: Amiga's future, or lack of
Posted on 2-Aug-2014 12:39:40
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Weird to run 68k driver in MorphOS which translates 68k code to PPC code and again WinUAE translates PPC code to x86 code |
Sounds like the emulation verion of Frankenmiga :)
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But I think it is easier to get WinUAE to run PowerUp and WarpUp kernels before any PPC native OS. It is also more useful since it unlocks some games and demos you can't run elsewhere.
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Totally uninformed opinion, but I'd have thought running a purely PPC OS would be simpler to implement than all the context-switching stuff required for running WarpOS/PowerUp.
In emulation, is there likely to be less of a hit for context switching than in hardware? I have no idea either way, just curious._________________
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Re: Amiga's future, or lack of
Posted on 2-Aug-2014 12:45:57
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In WinUAE you dont have context switches because they both run under same cpu and emulated. Games will run much better in WinUAE than real Amiga.
Maybe PPC emulation could even run on its own core maximizing performance. But then I dont know is UAE core flexible enough for parallel emulation... _________________
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Re: Amiga's future, or lack of
Posted on 2-Aug-2014 13:12:41
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| Maybe PPC emulation could even run on its own core maximizing performance. But then I dont know is UAE core flexible enough for parallel emulation... |
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Re: Amiga's future, or lack of
Posted on 2-Aug-2014 13:51:34
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I see. It might be better keep it single threaded. 68k only is the most important operation mode in WinUAE.
Oh...
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| Note to "outside" observers: my goal (if there even is any), is to run some simple PPC programs that work under AOS3, just because you can, perhaps also see what happens with netbsd and linux. Thats all. Do not expect anything else, do not assume anything else. At least not for free. |
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=967291&postcount=191
If it is going to run PPC OS it will be more likely due to a side effect and luck.Last edited by itix on 02-Aug-2014 at 01:54 PM.
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Re: Amiga's future, or lack of
Posted on 2-Aug-2014 14:04:31
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There's also the issue of the accelerator firmware. I'm no legal expert but I'm not sure if it's ever going to be legal to include them in the emulator.
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Re: Amiga's future, or lack of
Posted on 2-Aug-2014 14:23:47
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Some people might think about Phase5 firmware as abandonware, Phase5 being bankrupt and gone, and firmware not being updated anymore. And Phase5 firmware has no commercial value anymore.
I guess the same apply to Basilisk, 680x0 roms, and C64 emulators and so on.
I guess the firmware might now get a commercial value, and might be sold if the owners (if any) care to make some bucks from it. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 02-Aug-2014 at 02:26 PM.
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Re: Amiga's future, or lack of
Posted on 2-Aug-2014 14:33:35
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It is still owned by someone in particular the Trustee from the phase5 bankruptcy. I doubt Toni would be willing to risk the lawsuit by including them.
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Re: Amiga's future, or lack of
Posted on 2-Aug-2014 14:35:10
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The Phase5 firmware may be property of DCE now. |
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Re: Amiga's future, or lack of
Posted on 2-Aug-2014 20:10:02
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It could be even PPC firmware is owned by Ralph Schmidt. I dont know, just a thought. I have no chance to ask.
If firmware is owned by DCE (?) then it has gained some market value again. If it is needed to sell another product why not ask some money for it?
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