@Massi

If you like to get feedback you need to, actively promote your software.

If you like, donations you need to beg, I think the community has gotten use to software should be free, because its hobby mentality.

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@NutsAboutAmiga, massi
really, if your software is useful you are likely to automatically receive feedback if not necessarily in therms of money. i usually pick up contact with the developers of software that interests me because i try to help improve it. i rather fear im too annoying with it then the opposite. said that, i have never knowingly came across any software from you both, so, sorry to say it wouldnt make any difference to me if you are gone or not. you cant expect the users to lick your feet for whatever you do. as thoram said do it or leave it for your own pleasure.

@wawa

If you have not come across NutAboutAmiga's work you should be paying more attention.

Perhaps you are confused by the fact he also goes under the avatar / nick of LiveForIt.

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@wawa

I do not wont users to lick my feat, and I realize that not all my software is great, I have lots stuff that is not worth 10 cent.

However, you also have to understand that, the quality of the software, depends on user feedback, and time and funding to make the software great.

CarDemo is a example of what might have become something with encouragement, instead of encouragement I got, negative comments telling me it sucked, well yes it sucked, I wonted feedback and help to make it better, this is way it was uploaded. Negativity killed that project.

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@Massi and NutsAboutAmiga

I will certainly be criticized after to have say that (because of the "all Amiga softwares have to be free") but why don't distribute your programs through AMIStore ?

It's a good mechanism to know if your softwares are appreciated or not and therefore to have feedbacks (and kind of donations).

No ?

But I agree with you, users should support the hobbyists devs if they use/appreciate their works. it's what I try to do with devs whom I use programs (what I did for you 2 for example)

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@broadblues

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If you have not come across NutAboutAmiga's work you should be paying more attention.

i dont think i have any duties, but then could you give me some example what i should be paying attention to? im sorry, but no os4 software count at this point as i dont even have it installed in uae.

@zzd10h

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I will certainly be criticized after to have say that (because of the "all Amiga softwares have to be free") but why don't distribute your programs through AMIStore ?

not at all. i find your suggestion rather reasonable. in this way the demand and the appropriate return can be verified in the field. that would be just, but who knows if the result would be in favour of all the developers. i simply believe that as there is a very limited pool of developers, there is also rather limited pool of users ready to pay, at least in along run if they discover they need to pay for every small cli utility.

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@zzd10h

Well Mplayer I can't sell due the GPL licensee, and out of respect to other developers who has contributed over the years.

The same thing with Basilisk 2, it's not my to sell, it under GPL licensee.

Excalibur I have been think about selling, I think too few people are going to be interested in it.

Amiga Input Anywhere, right now its takes some work to bring it to higher level, maybe there is interest or not, it's defiantly useful for a lot gamers.

Some things like UTF8.library cannot be sold, because it shard library thing.

So some projects it can't sold due what it does, some projects is can't be sold due to licensee, some projects.

Pong/Snake, no one in their right mind is going to wont to pay for these old games.

"Catweasel" driver and GUI, is old and outdated, Ian has taken over that project, and I think its now contribution to AmigaOS4, so it can't be sold.

Allegro5 port want be sellable, In the case actually did the work, due to open source nature of that project.

Runadf and whdload-to-UAE, these projects can not be sold; competing product included in AmigaOS4.1.

ISpell is GPL code, can't be sold.

Svgalib port, no one is interested, and yes it GPL code again, cannot be sold.

I the case I like to sell something, I need to make something to sell.

Some projects needs to be donations and kickstarters or some other type of funding.

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@wawa

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i dont think i have any duties

But still you reserve the right to dismiss and discard someone. You take you duty every seriously it seems. A rather nasty negative duty.

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im sorry, but no os4 software count at this point as i dont even have it installed in uae.

This is a thread explicityly about OS4, if you want to comment fine, but please at least make some effort to keep up with developments.

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@broadblues

software for genuine amiga (massi) has been mentioned as argument in this thread. i keep up with developments that are interesting to me. for instance i keep up with chris' version of netsurf frontend, since he tries to push it as cross platform effort (amiga/os4). in this respect even if not even every comment i make on that subject is positive, but in general im one of few people giving him extensive feedback, trying to help and wishing to succeed, even through im doing the same for the arturs sdl frontend in the meantime.

i dont know why i should pay attention just to everything, especially to what cannot be of use to me in its current form.

@Nameless

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I have to ask, what sort of system are you using there?

It's a Dell PC with a PentiumIV @ 2.4Hgz running XP. 1GB RAM IIRC. 2x40GB HD. CD. DVD. IDE. Old spec but still fast in raw power. Almost 1Ghz faster than my PowerBook and over a gig faster than my X1000 in "OS4" mode.

@danwood

I've installed some programs buit I'm not app happy. Still could do with a culling. It has a virus checker. I didi a complete system install a few years back. But I think all the OS updates anmd progrmas I tried now weigh it down. Need a new registry.

@zzd10h

AMIStore and other commercial approaches is fine for maturing software that you feel confident to sell, less good for begining projects and open source based products.

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@Hypex

My XP box that I use fpr occasional WinUAE session was slow to start like yours, I found it was continously rebuilding some help datatbase or other. Once I found out which service was doing that and stopped it it returned to a manageble , if not 100% snappy boot speed.

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@wawa

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you cant expect the users to lick your feet for whatever you do.

Never expected such bullshit really.

And you never take developers for granted and software for free.

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@zzd10h

Thanks for the info.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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If you like, donations you need to beg, I think the community has gotten use to software should be free, because its hobby mentality.

If we developers are at the point of begging, we better switch to more profitable systems, what I should have done a long time ago, but better late than never

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@Massi

Speak for yourself,if it comes to "begging" for donations.

Write some decent software and make it easy to donate (ie donation button on your website and in the documention, prominent enough to find, but not getting in the way of the purpose of the docs) then you will get dontaions.

Writing less good incomplete software and making updates conditional on donataions will get you very little.

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@Massi

Don't forget that we are certainly less than 300-400 actives OS4 users, therefore don't expect too much (even from AMiStore)

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@broadblues

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Speak for yourself,if it comes to "begging" for donations. Write some decent software and make it easy to donate (ie donation button on your website and in the documention, prominent enough to find, but not getting in the way of the purpose of the docs) then you will get dontaions. Writing less good incomplete software and making updates conditional on donataions will get you very little.

I speak for myself and for all developers who accept donations.

Only your software is "decent"?
It is evident that you never run NetSpeedometer nor BigSister, so why you give lessons (please document yourself first).

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