@kolla

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What is this obsession with office applications? I cannot even remember last time I used one.

I use MS Word daily in my work (archivist). Yes, e-mail is handy for basic communication, but not all people can use it (some of our visitors are elderly with no computer skills). Official correspondence with other state or municipal authorities also requires formated text. Not even speaking about more scholarly oriented work requiring references/footnotes.

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: There is no money in it, so there is no way I can afford to work on improving anything, as a developer. I know I'm Amiga addicted, I should not hang around Amiga forums as much as I do, I should be spending my time doing thing that put money in my pocket. I feel gaily every time I do something for AmigaOS, because I know this is not what I should not be doing.

So it's about the money? Must everything always be about the money? It's a hobby. It doesn't have to make you money. If you don't like that idea, then quit Amiga.

@Thorham

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Thorham wrote: Quote: NutsAboutAmiga wrote: There is no money in it, so there is no way I can afford to work on improving anything, as a developer. I know I'm Amiga addicted, I should not hang around Amiga forums as much as I do, I should be spending my time doing thing that put money in my pocket. I feel gaily every time I do something for AmigaOS, because I know this is not what I should not be doing. So it's about the money? Must everything always be about the money? It's a hobby. It doesn't have to make you money. If you don't like that idea, then quit Amiga.

Do you really have to ask such a question about money when it costs $3000 USD just for a motherboard to run an OS from a bankrupt company?

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ferrels wrote: Do you really have to ask such a question about money when it costs $3000 USD just for a motherboard to run an OS from a bankrupt company?

That's not really what my post was about, but, yes, of course. Want an X1000? Yes? Can you afford it? Yes? Buy it. Don't want to buy it? Don't buy it. Simple.

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@Thorham

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Thorham wrote: Quote: NutsAboutAmiga wrote: There is no money in it, so there is no way I can afford to work on improving anything, as a developer. I know I'm Amiga addicted, I should not hang around Amiga forums as much as I do, I should be spending my time doing thing that put money in my pocket. I feel gaily every time I do something for AmigaOS, because I know this is not what I should not be doing. So it's about the money? Must everything always be about the money? It's a hobby. It doesn't have to make you money. If you don't like that idea, then quit Amiga.

NutsAboutAmiga has delivered quite a bit of software for AmigaOS in his free time, as a hobby. He's simply stating the reality that he can't do as much as he'd like, because he has to earn money to live just like everybody else. If he could earn enough money to live from AmigaOS software, then he'd be able to deliver so much more.

There's nothing wrong with wishing you could earn enough money from a hobby so that you could do it fulltime.

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@Thorham

It's simply about putting food on the table

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: It's simply about putting food on the table

Everything Amiga related is a hobby, and hobbies aren't about making a living. If you don't want to invest time in hobbies (or a particular hobby), then don't. Simple, no?

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@ferrels

I saved up money to buy it, like everyone else.

The question is way people complain; way do they not just pick up a C compiler and do something about it, and yes really does come down to time and money.

You can talk about being idealist all day long if you want to, but it does not change a thing.
Do it for love, do it because it's fun. Sorry life is not that simple, not for me.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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way do they not just pick up a C compiler and do something about it

because it would be waste of time to contribute to a closed system that doesnt have its own dynamics anyway, apparently doesnt have any perspective or a roadmap, all information regarding it is kept very secretive, or in other words everything happens "behind the scenes" and which can disappear in a limbo from one day to another without further notice.

@wawa

No because Amiga + open source does not pay.

Do you remember "Audio Evolution", DaveAE quit selling it to AROS/MorphOS/AmigaOS4.1 because there was no market. If there is no market in this 3 platforms combined, there is no hope.

I do not work for Hyperion.

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Thorham wrote: Quote: NutsAboutAmiga wrote: It's simply about putting food on the table Everything Amiga related is a hobby, and hobbies aren't about making a living. If you don't want to invest time in hobbies (or a particular hobby), then don't. Simple, no?

There's a difference between "not wanting to" and "not being able to." NutsAboutAmiga has clearly said that he cannot put more time into Amiga projects because he needs to focus on earning money to "put food on the table." Obviously, earning money to live is top priority, and hobbies come second.

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@kolla

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kolla wrote: What is this obsession with office applications? I cannot even remember last time I used one.

Written words and spreadsheed calculations make a big deal of my jobs. And since I am no island I need a compatible file format.
Online word processors are too limited and unsecure. Probably the offline office suite is the most important software beside the browser for _my_ professional work.

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Hypex wrote: @Metalheart I think I know what you mean. But funnily enough regarding non Amiga machines. I have a PowerBook G4 and it shows. It only has 512GB and can't be maxxed to 2GB bacuse it has a long standing fault with a memory bank Apple took years to fix! So even after I boot it fresh and launch Safari it isn't too long before the rainbow spins on screen and it starts thinking. I coukd even have it sitting there. Sites loaded. Scrolling down, reading text. And then it starts thinking again! Over what!? It's 1.5Ghz.

There's a cure for your Powerbook which can make it fly. It's called MorphOS.

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When I read to "." symbol I was thinking, yehhh you throw it out the window, to make it fly.

Installing MorphOS might be safer for every one waking on the sidewalk.

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: The question is way people complain; way do they not just pick up a C compiler and do something about it, and yes really does come down to time and money.

It comes down to time. If you have no time to engage in a hobby because you have to work, then you don't engage in the hobby. Sucks, yes, but it's pretty simple.

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: You can talk about being idealist all day long if you want to, but it does not change a thing. Do it for love, do it because it's fun. Sorry life is not that simple, not for me.

It's quite simple when it's about this. You have to earn a living, and this, sadly, takes priority over a hobby. It's not complicated, it just stinks.

As for wanting to earn a living writing Amiga related software: Be realistic. This hasn't been possible for over a decade now. Amiga related activities are a hobby, and have been for many years. No sense in complaining about it.

@NutsAboutAmiga

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No because Amiga + open source does not pay.

sure. obviously neither that nor closed source like os4. the problem is when one behaves as if it was not the case and pretends for years to be a serious business with a future perspective.

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Do you remember "Audio Evolution", DaveAE quit selling it to AROS/MorphOS/AmigaOS4.1 because there was no market. If there is no market in this 3 platforms combined, there is no hope.

so what? you just need to realize that there is no market and make your choices. i only once or twice tried ae, it wasnt of use for me, but there is another example: hd-rec, a very usable app, pretty an example of an app that makes amiga still concurrent to a todays pc for harddisk recording. according to its developer he made kt mostly for himself because he needed it. it is open source.

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I do not work for Hyperion.

actually you do if you develop for os4, especially if you voluntary do not get paid.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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It's simply about putting food on the table

100% agree.
Over the years I developed for OS3-OS4 mainly for my interest and passion, certainly not for money as I only got few donations

In this sense it is a difficult world for OS4 developers.

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@Metalheart

Get ssd disk as no.1! Second, if still slow - get amiga x1000 also with ssd disk and you will have better and faster than androids machine!

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