According to the TOS I see nothing that prevents to talk about the usual "Amiga naming" questions.

Before further proceeding with such kind of discussions, I think that it should be clear to everybody, users and moderators, if this argument is allowed or not. So, if Amigaworld censors that kind of argument.

If it's not allowed, I think that it should be nice to put a clear statement about that in the TOS, so any user is aligned.

Of course, it will be interesting to have a precise of list of arguments that are censored as well here.

@cdimauro

if i read his right any one on here can talk about any to do with amiga or any other computer as you fourm about Amiga be bit odd if you can not talk or Discuss about the amiga or any other computer daft not to

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@cdimauro

I think only problem is "polluting" of threads by OT posts (like our discussion in Natami thread). New thread about "Amiga naming" should be fine.

@pavlor

such a thread would break all records because it would be endless

@OlafS25

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such a thread would break all records because it would be endless

That wouldn´t be bad.

@cdimauro

Ikve often thought that an 'arguement dumping ground ' thread would be a great idea.

Not only could you redirect OT posts to the thread, thusly keeping the forums clear, but also refer people to the same argument having taken place again, and again, and again...

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@Boot_WB

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Ikve often thought that an 'argument dumping ground ' thread would be a great idea. Not only could you redirect OT posts to the thread, thusly keeping the forums clear, but also refer people to the same argument having taken place again, and again, and again.

We already have such a thread. In the past I have linked to it during arguments and advised people continue to discuss their personal issues there.

In EVERY case where I post this link (for 10 years) people simply stop posting in the initial thread for about an hour. No one EVER goes to the "argument" thread to post.

The reason should be obvious, since the great wisdom posted in the "argument" thread is off the front page and therefore never to be viewed by the masses.

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@number6

That is unfortunate, /me consigns another potential crowd-management idea to the scrapheap.

I suppose with Amigaworld acting as a lightning rod for contentious discussion, it helps keep the dedicated sites (Amigans, Morphzone, Aros Exec) relatively free of such nonsense.

On a related note, Amiga.org seems to have settled down a lot in the last few months, although I do have the urge to beat Fol over the head whilst shouting "Moot! MOOT! As in Lute, not as in Fruit: MOOT!". [EDIT: -Fruit +Cute]
Damn his thread-locking shenanigans; I do hope Amiga.org doesn't become another Amigans in that sense, ie threads locked as a matter of course.

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@Boot_WB

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On a related note, Amiga.org seems to have settled down a lot in the last few months, although I do have the urge to beat Fol over the head whilst shouting "Moot! MOOT! As in Lute, not as in Fruit: MOOT!".

Yeah, me too!

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Perhaps now to explain the concept of thread derailment I mention in later post we should now spin off into a 5 page discussion of your poor choice of Fruit of an example, it being phonetical completely dissimilar to mute...

or maybe not....

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@Boot_WB

Dunno. Follett's approach on Amiga.org:

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Think this thread has run its course. As its a mute point now.

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Somewhat different than Orgin's approach on Amigans.net:

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Not bizarre, It's more in the range of "I just don't give a f...". But it's cute that people would think that it was important enough post about ;) NEXT!

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It seems to me that we always used to report on the status of other sites covering Amiga topics.

I recall a statement some time ago about "a rising tide lifts all boats" (about co-operation being part of the greater good). Obviously this is not an idea shared by all, and has never been. But considering our "teachers", this is not surprising in the slightest.

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@cdimauro

Talking about amiga naming conventions is valid subject, what is not valid is derailing threads about useful subjects because someone used the term Amiga casually, and this happens all too often.

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@broadblues

True. It is quite tiring to have to remember to substitute "amigoid systems" or "amiga like systems" every time one is typing "amiga".

We DO have legal threads for that, like "who owns what?"

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Hmmm...in dire need of an update too.

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@Thread

Funny thread with misunderstanding topic issues, as for "Amiga naming conventions" is usually a discussion related with filenames obliged rules inherent in the DOS and the filesystem.

http://wiki.amigaos.net/wiki/AmigaOS_Manual:_AmigaDOS_Working_With_AmigaDOS#Naming_Conventions

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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @cdimauro I think only problem is "polluting" of threads by OT posts (like our discussion in Natami thread). New thread about "Amiga naming" should be fine.

That wasn't the case, because the Natami thread had several OT posts, but the moderator complained only about the Amiga naming. So, it seems that argument is not allowed here.

That's why I opened this thread: to have a clear and defined answer about what is, currently, a censorship action about this site.

@number6

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number6 wrote: @Boot_WB Quote: Ikve often thought that an 'argument dumping ground ' thread would be a great idea. Not only could you redirect OT posts to the thread, thusly keeping the forums clear, but also refer people to the same argument having taken place again, and again, and again. We already have such a thread. In the past I have linked to it during arguments and advised people continue to discuss their personal issues there. In EVERY case where I post this link (for 10 years) people simply stop posting in the initial thread for about an hour. No one EVER goes to the "argument" thread to post. The reason should be obvious, since the great wisdom posted in the "argument" thread is off the front page and therefore never to be viewed by the masses. #6

That's a very good idea, and IMO such thread should be sticked to be Always visible.

@broadblues

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broadblues wrote: @cdimauro Talking about amiga naming conventions is valid subject, what is not valid is derailing threads about useful subjects because someone used the term Amiga casually, and this happens all too often.

I totally agree, and I think that having a specific thread about the argument, as number6 did, can help to solve the problem. But it has to be promoted as "sticked" to make it more visible and permanent.

It's normal that OT posts appear in a thread, and usually they bring some value (e.g.: interesting ideas, facts, arguments, etc.). But recurring stuff can be quite pedantic...

@cdimauro

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That wasn't the case, because the Natami thread had several OT posts, but the moderator complained only about the Amiga naming. So, it seems that argument is not allowed here. That's why I opened this thread: to have a clear and defined answer about what is, currently, a censorship action about this site.

Dicussion of moderation is definetly against the T&Cs, but I think we could get away withit enough in this case to point out that you misunderstood him, he was complaining about the 'name calling' as in the absuive name calling of each other with words like 'moron' (and a few others) not the amiga name usage.

Unless it was me that misunderstood but I don't think so.

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@Raffaele

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Raffaele wrote: @Thread Funny thread with misunderstanding topic issues, as for "Amiga naming conventions" is usually a discussion related with filenames obliged rules inherent in the DOS and the filesystem. http://wiki.amigaos.net/wiki/AmigaOS_Manual:_AmigaDOS_Working_With_AmigaDOS#Naming_Conventions

To be more precise, my thread wasn't about such "conventions", but about asking if the argument is banned or allowed on this site.

After that it's clarified, we can use the number6's thread to talk about that argument, and IMO such argument should be split: one reporting official information, and another about the cited conventions. They are different (albeit not entirely different), and have a different value / implication.

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broadblues wrote: @cdimauro Quote: That wasn't the case, because the Natami thread had several OT posts, but the moderator complained only about the Amiga naming. So, it seems that argument is not allowed here. That's why I opened this thread: to have a clear and defined answer about what is, currently, a censorship action about this site. Dicussion of moderation is definetly against the T&Cs, but I think we could get away withit enough in this case to point out that you misunderstood him, he was complaining about the 'name calling' as in the absuive name calling of each other with words like 'moron' (and a few others) not the amiga name usage. Unless it was me that misunderstood but I don't think so.

So, let's see if someone else can "disambiguate" what happened.

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broadblues wrote: @Boot_WB Quote: On a related note, Amiga.org seems to have settled down a lot in the last few months, although I do have the urge to beat Fol over the head whilst shouting "Moot! MOOT! As in Lute, not as in Fruit: MOOT!". Yeah, me too!

Good man!

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[edit] Perhaps now to explain the concept of thread derailment I mention in later post we should now spin off into a 5 page discussion of your poor choice of Fruit of an example, it being phonetical completely dissimilar to mute... or maybe not....

D'oh, quite right, should have used 'cute'.

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