@Ertilyllibllih

>I can not see any improvements in particular, time doesn't stand still.

I wonder what I have got with SAM440 vs my A4k...
-3D support
-FullHD GFX support, flixer free, DVI
-24bit GFX modes, also in FullHD
-16bit audio out
-50x HDD speed
-more CPU speed
-USB
-SATA
-100Mbit ethernet
-PCI
-A500 compatibility (I need whdload for A4k)
-reduced power consumption & more silent system
-more RAM for heavy stuff (even though, with OLD 68k SW my A4k never runs out of fast RAM)
-better WWW usability
-more SW
-simpler system (just motherboard vs house of cards)
...

>What is being done is just moving some of the old a few notches ahead of its old position and in addition losing almost everything one had.

I wonder what I have lost with SAM440 vs my A4k...
-executive (the most crusial piece of my A4k setup, otherwise it's "crap" to use, SAM440 has more power but...)
-AGA speed (SAM440 has been too slow to emulate AGA at full speed, I would need PPC460 I think)
-video compatibility (not worth much these days)
-zorro2 (z3 was bugged, but PCI is faster anyway)
...

A lot harder to find "lost" things. But I feel AOS4 is young vs 3.9 as we do not yet have executive -like SW for it.

((I think I lost simplicity of Amiga system already with A4k, but it's one of the core things of what makes an Amiga and the matter needs to be improvent.))

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@tangoone

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Commodore they did have two types of amiga - consummer (Amiga500,600,1200) - Highend that was for grapic, video, raytracing (Professional) "Professional" was also in price also! So what I want is a Amiga1200 (size) but that is updated hardware.

And me wanted an updated A2000/3000(T)/4000(T) (incl. RTG, Network, etc.) ... I don't care about "Consumer Amigas", never did.

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@tangoone

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tangoone wrote: So until amigaone (A-one) rethinks it biz model I will wait for Amiga fpga that goes beyond Amiga ECS/AGA.

Its more than A-eon but other than that I totally agree, if they can not do it properly its better to keep to the real Amiga system insted and improve that in ways or just have fun with it.


Besides, the Amiga is about much more than the Operating System, so what they've done is like stretching a rubber band until it broke and now they are sitting with only a tiny part of it that I think they can never built up seen in a historical perspective.

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@KimmoK

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KimmoK wrote:
@Ertilyllibllih

>>I can not see any improvements in particular, time doesn't stand still.

>I wonder what I have got with SAM440 vs my A4k...

Ok lets do it your way.

>-3D support

Stuck in the old age. let's say before year 2000? 3D on some Amiga RTG cards too.

>-FullHD GFX support, flixer free, DVI

Old, works too on real Amigas with RTG card etc. and in WinUAE.

>-24bit GFX modes, also in FullHD

Old, work too on real Amigas with RTG card etc. and in WinUAE.

>-16bit audio out

Old, work too on real Amigas with sound card etc. and in WinUAE.

>-50x HDD speed

Not sure about 50x speed on SATA 2 and USB1/2
So old, work to on real Amigas with USB card etc. and in WinUAE.

>-more CPU speed

Incompatible CPU must emulate 68k, very slow but also old, work in WinUAE.

>-USB

Old, work on real Amigas with USB card etc. and in WinUAE.

>-SATA

Old

>-100Mbit ethernet

Old, 10 gigabit ethernet is standard today.

>-PCI

Old, work on real Amigas with PCI card etc. and in WinUAE.

>-A500 compatibility (I need whdload for A4k)

Rob confirmed whdload doesn't work and need to be emulated with E-UAE

>-reduced power consumption & more silent system

I don't believe you.

>-more RAM for heavy stuff (even though, with OLD 68k SW my A4k never runs out of fast RAM)

Pointless because the world has moved on and your PPC is still running in 32bit and 32bit on a 64bit CPU.

>-better WWW usability

That only makes sense when even my satellite tuner and blu ray player and even the TV and phone and pad have good WWW. Moreover, it works well enough on Amiga and WinUAE and the host operating system.

>-more SW

Only a few ports minus everything you lose because of emulation.

>-simpler system (just motherboard vs house of cards)

That sounds like my cheap old AmigaTwoX86X64X6000/X?

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@Rob

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Rob wrote: @Ertilyllibllih How come you haven't been banned yet anyway? From the terms of service: Quote: Multiple usernames: Intentionally registering more than ONE username for the purpose of using multiple usernames is NOT allowed. This includes, but is not limited to, registering a new username to avoid a ban. Using the site (for posting messages or otherwise) with more than one username is not allowed. Users that do not follow this rule will be permanently banned. Also, do not use someone else's username, even if you were given the password to it by the owner of the username. Exceptions can be made with approval of Amigaworld.net staff, for example where the username is a company name to be shared by employees. If you would like to change your username, contact the webmaster.

Is it valid for all users that use multiple accounts?

@cdimauro

I'd assume that would be the case but I only have access to the same info as you.

@KimmoK

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KimmoK wrote: @Ertilyllibllih >With WinUAE you get all in one, No. You get just an emulator. You still need to buy the rest (kickstart + os + host HW + host OS).

WinUAE provides AROS/68K roms, so you don't need any Kickstart + Workbench + o.s. utilities.

Of course, you need the host hardware and o.s., but it's the same with any post-Amiga hardware system.
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>on modern hardware On WinUAE you have no access on modern HW. You are running emulated 20-30 year old HW. You are forced to use some foreign OS + SW to access the HW.

So what? Performance is very good with 68K, and PowerPC emulation is better than low/mid-end post-Amiga computers.
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>that is not overpriced Also x86 is costly, even if not as much as high end Amigas.

Really? I think that we discussed in the past. An high-end PC cost is similar or below compared to the cheapest post-Amiga computer. But you don't need one of that for enjoying WinUAE emulating a machine with up to 1.8GB of memory and up to 128MB of RTG video at gorgeous speeds.

Now a question: why do you want to throw out emulation from the discussion? Post-Amiga o.ses need it anyway to transparently run 68K applications (Petunia, Trance) or to run the old games as is (E-UAE).

What should count is the final result, and WinUAE gives the possibility of enjoying a very good Amiga experience, much better than any other solution in terms of emulated 68K hardware and compatibility with the vast code base.

@Rob

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Rob wrote: @cdimauro I'd assume that would be the case but I only have access to the same info as you.

It's well known that there's an Hyperion account which is used by some company's employee.

Maybe the same can happen with AmiKit and A-EON.

If this is the case, it'll be fun to see what happens with the applications of this forum rule.

@cdimauro

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It's well known that there's an Hyperion account which is used by some company's employee.

If they gained permission from administrators/owners of this site, then it is OK.


In case of Ertilyllibllih, moderators decided according to ToS.

@Rudei

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Good point, anyone raised this to the mods?

What mods? AFAIK there is only one left, Darrin.

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@itix

Well someone banned him anyway. Looks like they were fair too since he still has only 8 days left before the temporary ban ends on his original account.

@Rob

What he did anyway?

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@Ertilyllibllih

>>>I can not see any improvements in particular, time doesn't stand still.
>>I wonder what I have got with SAM440 vs my A4k...
>>-3D support
>Stuck in the old age. let's say before year 2000? 3D on some Amiga RTG cards too.

Huge improvement from from "my house of cards" anyway.

>>-FullHD GFX support, flixer free, DVI
>Old, works too on real Amigas with RTG card etc. and in WinUAE.

I have already CV64-3D in "my house of cards", it's a lot slower than SAM440, doubt buying PCI busboard + PCI gfx would improve it, but it would cost a lot more.

...
>>-50x HDD speed
>Not sure about 50x speed on SATA 2 and USB1/2

My A4k transfers about 2Mb/s and my SAM about 100Mb/s over SATA1.
...

>>-A500 compatibility (I need whdload for A4k)
>Rob confirmed whdload doesn't work and need to be emulated with E-UAE

On SAM I can launch A500 games and demos via doubleclick. Not on my A4k.

>>-reduced power consumption & more silent system
>I don't believe you.

Mesured with same cheap AC power meter:
A4k: 100W
SAM440: 25W


>>-more SW
>Only a few ports minus everything you lose because of emulation.

I only gain via emulation. I can run a lot more than on 060/50.


Same for all the rest that you ignore.
My SAM is big improvement from A4k.
My A4k is almost full of cards and it can not compete any more. SAM is simply better and more modern.


(My MorphOS systems are even better in some ways, but the default look of AOS4 is more familiar etc.)



@cdimaurio

>WinUAE gives the possibility of enjoying a very good Amiga experience,

Yes it does. If fast emulation of 1990's is what people want.

(and especially if people love to do things via Windows, I have enough of it at work.)



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AMINUX way of doing 68k emulation is perhaps the most interesting, old video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2fu7dnFTpY&feature=youtu.be
(surely the old video does not reflect it's current state)
While AEROS alternative gives you native x86 + HW acceleration + multicore (linux apps on the AEROS desktop).
And for those who do not want the extra 20million linux kernel codellines in teir system, there is AROS/icaros native. (almost AOS3.1 level http://aros.sourceforge.net/introduction/status/everything.php )

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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @cdimauro Quote: It's well known that there's an Hyperion account which is used by some company's employee. If they gained permission from administrators/owners of this site, then it is OK.

There's no reference to exceptions in the forum's manifesto. And it'll be unfair to introduce them. Especially if done just now.
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In case of Ertilyllibllih, moderators decided according to ToS.

If the ToS is valid, it should be applied for EVERY situation.

@KimmoK

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KimmoK wrote: @Ertilyllibllih @cdimauro >WinUAE gives the possibility of enjoying a very good Amiga experience, Yes it does. If fast emulation of 1990's is what people want.

AFAIK 68K software wasn't stopped on '90s, but is still produced.

Anyway, I see a lot of interest on the 68K platform here, and when I talk about it I'm also referring to the 68K code run under "transparent" (Petunia, Trance) or normal (E-UAE, WinUAE) emulation.

So, yes, maybe this is what people want.
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(and especially if people love to do things via Windows, I have enough of it at work.)

If I remember correctly, WinUAE should run also on Linux (and MacOS?) under WINE.

@cdimauro

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There's no reference to exceptions in the forum's manifesto. And it'll be unfair to introduce them. Especially if done just now.

Hyperionmp is there since 2003...

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If the ToS is valid, it should be applied for EVERY situation.

Exceptions can be made with approval of Amigaworld.net staff, for example where the username is a company name to be shared by employees. Terms, conditions and policies

Always pleasure to read your comments.

@cdimauro

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Quote: It's well known that there's an Hyperion account which is used by some company's employee. Quote: If they gained permission from administrators/owners of this site, then it is OK. There's no reference to exceptions in the forum's manifesto. And it'll be unfair to introduce them. Especially if done just now.

The passage I originally quoted in post 109 had a clause for such exceptions.

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Exceptions can be made with approval of Amigaworld.net staff, for example where the username is a company name to be shared by employees.

@pavlor: the same is for me.

I don't remember such statement when I registered to the forum, but I might have made a mistake.

Is Hyperion officially part of the exceptions? The fact that it's registered from 2003 doesn't mean that it's already part of such VIP list.

@cdimauro

There have been a small number of such multi user acounts since the site started, all corporate accounts HyperionMP, DiscreetFX (though I think that now is a single user) maybe Eyetech can't remeber,

but this is the opposite to #?ilyBillt#? who had created two accounts fo the purpose of side stepping a ban.

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Regarding corportate accounts, it's not clear if they are already part of an exception list approved by the staff, or not. This is the only point that matters, IMO.