@Amiten

Im a little worried about the lack of activity keeping Kickstarter threads active.
I realise its xmas holiday/madness and focus is mainly in that direction, or like with
Daniel/Daytona; minimal forum presense to keep focused on gamedevelopment.

But since a kickstarter is counting down the days, its rather important to stay visible in that period.

imho.

Just a friendly point of view

@Overflow

I'm not sure you're asking the right people for donations.
Historically Amiga world was created because AmigaOS4.x supporters, where unable to find a place where there was no trolling on Amiga.org and ann.lu. MorphZone.net was created because MorphOS supported needed a place to stay.

After a while Amigaworld.net become more liberal, so letting MorphOS and AROS support spam, topics they did care about, so www.amigans.net was created.

Amiga.org was the please where die hard classic fans where hanging out, and then there was English Amiga board (http://eab.abime.net/)

Nowadays there is at least 8 Amiga groups on Facebook.

So back what I' taking about, we are divided into smaller and smaller pockets of people, making it harder to get people to donate, the average age of Amiga user is around 40 years.

Personally, I think it was unrealistic to collect that kind of money.

Only 38% was collected, with 14 days left.

I will only donate to games that run on AmigaOS4.x, minimum AHI and True color support.
I don't care if it's written in 680x0 assembler, C, E, Hollywood, AmiBlitz or Pascal, but it has to be 100% system friendly code. And I probably wont to see and tried some DEMOS of game before I hit donate.

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Im not asking for donations, but regardless a kickstarter needs visible activity to succeed.
Amiten reads this forum, amongst others, so flagging the concern here is as useful as any other place.

@all

Hello Again,

there is 8 days left for Kickstarter of Rowan´s Dream we fund 1646€ of 4000€ at the moment please help us to make this happen!.

in the next Few Days we put online a TEST TECHNICALL DEMO for all the people can try the basics of the Rowans ENGINE and try in one of the Bonus Level so stay tune and thanks for all the support.

The Rowans Dream WIP Demo is available for free download!!!! Please be in mind this is a WIP(Work in Progress Version). Have Fun

Download: http://amiftp.honor.es/amiftp/amiga/Amiten%20Software%20Inc/ROWAN_DEMO.rar

Please support us in kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1652472361/the-dream-of-rowan

Please all Feedbacks its important and help us!

Amiten ragequitted EAB. With caps lock on. That made me laugh

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PLEASE EAB MOD´S MAKE ME A FAVOR CLOSE THIS THREAD AND MY ACCOUNT IF YOU WANT TOO (I´M not use any more) . I DON´T WANT TO LOOSE MORE TIME READING MASTER CLASSES OF BIG PROFESSIONALS DEVELOPERS OF AMIGA GAMES ANY MORE HERE - HAVE FUN EAB COMMUNITY WAS A PLEASURE FOR ME. AMIGA4EVER

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=1059983&postcount=80

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@Yasu

at least it shows you can make money with amiga software (how other successful kickstarter showed). But it would be better to start a kickstarter when you have actually something to show and not "I want to do something give me money for it". In a project like this I would have concentrated on AGA/RTG and used either Hollywood or Amiblitz (Blitzbasic always supported AGA) or at least AMOS with its AGA extension or using TOME to make a scrollable game with it (but then you need hand-pixeld 32 colours graphics for it and not something that is just calculated down). My favorite tool would have been Hollywood for it (despite needed work to create a base game engine) because full truecolor support and easy support of different platforms. In the forum there was a announcement that Hollywood would support AGA in future but RTG would be current possible.

just my 2 cents

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@OlafS25
I think to do one kickstarter too, but for the Eye Viewer for 68k and my brother back to Amiga scene, now there are money.

@OlafS25

A bit dissapointing reaction from Amiten on EAB. You have to expect some negative comments on public forums, and the game is by no means perfect
But I remember Graham or whatshisname on EAB doing a game development thread that spanned over many pages/months. The fact that current developments are quite crude doesnt nessicarily mean a whole lot as long as there is decent gameplay. And most people are quite understanding that gamedevelopment takes time, hits a standstill while debugging etc.

What makes or breaks such support is the attitude of the developer(s). Throwing hissyfits isnt a good way of dealing with negative/constructive feedback.

A pity.

@Overflow

You have to deal with it when you want money from other people... simple as that

The reaction on eab only showed that he not really stands behind his project, if he would then he would proof the naysayer wrong. Saying i do no longer talk to you is not very professional.

@OlafS25: I agree, EUR 4000,- is a lot money for an unfinished, semiprofessional (no offense, but this is more a hobby-project for me) game. If you wnat money from people, you have to deal with critic and with the fact, that not everyone is interested in such a game.

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@AP

Wether or not some people are intrested or not doesnt factor into it.

Wether or not the game is in unfinished state doesnt factor into it. Most Kickstarters are very much in a unfinished state at the end of the kickstarter.

But interaction, and how one deal with feedback most defintly factor into it.

@Overflow:
>Wether or not some people are intrested or not doesnt factor into it.

One of the things you claim is that there isn´t much feedback. Not so much interest = not so much feedback. Simple.


>Wether or not the game is in unfinished state doesnt factor into it. Most >Kickstarters are very much in a unfinished state at the end of the kickstarter.

Ok, agrred. But here it´s more the combination of "unfinished" and "hobby-project". If a hobby-coder wants EUR 4000,- for a AMOS-game he has to offer more than let´s say CInemaware with their kickstarter for "Wings Remastered".

>But interaction, and how one deal with feedback most defintly factor into it.

Full ACK.

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@OlafS25

I agree with OlafS25.

It would be good sing if someone could make a money this way. There are lots of classic amiga users. Though many of them doesn't have anything else than A500, 1mb ram and gotek.

Anyway succeeding with game like this is difficult, there are lots of this kind of games for Amiga and many of them are REALLY good.

Game should offer something new, like RTG / AHI support, wich would more easily achive than making better game than Super Frog, Arabian nights, Bubble & Squak and many more. I don't know any platformer wich would support AHI/RTG? Is there any?

Is there any noticeable games made with AMOS?

Another way approach this would be thinking what we don't have? or we don't have many.

@utri007

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Is there any?

Abuse and some newer ports and emulators (eg. MAME). Comparison to older titles is not fair, few inexperienced developers can´t beat GFX of Lionheart or gameplay of Chaos Engine.

@utri007

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I don't know any platformer wich would support AHI/RTG? Is there any?

Well Allegro and SDL games, run on that kind of things under the hood.
Modern platform games used vector 2D graphics, make it easier to animate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLC6wI8_swo

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The best way, in my opinion, is this:

Are you capable of producing a game? Do you want it to be commercial and earn some money from Amiga users? Then go for it, finish it and then sell it (in case you don't want to hear negative comments in the forums).

You don't have the funds to handle all the costs when your game is finished? Then contact some Amiga publishers (e.g. APC&TCP) and make a deal.

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@All
I think that all Amiga users are giving very much import to Amiten's words, I saw in Amiga forums like of a grain of sand the amigans make a mountain, and I know about it because sometimes I was in the Amiten side. I think that all writing post to write, and we forget that is a hobby.

@Templario

You misunderstand the comments... if it would be pure "hobby" doing it in spare time without money people would certainly comment it differently. He requests money for it without having accomplished any project and without showing a professional demo.

A different project:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=75607&page=2

Renegade Deluxe and is PD (free of charge, no money)

if you compare graphic with this project there is a huge difference

Request money and you are treated as professional entity, if you have delivered in the past people will trust you, if not like in this case then show something professional.

@OlafS25
You don't forget the more import we are free to give money or not, here is the key front these requestings and forms to request.