@pavlor

If i i will have time and hope soon linux distro working from HD i will do it there in dosbox for X5000 lnx e on G5 lnx

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@tlosm

But use only _one_ core for your tests. Single core performance is what matters in regard of OS4 or MorphOS..

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tlosm wrote: for example on OsX is much more simple because it have already X server inside of it

Nope, it does not. Xquartz (xorg ported to Quartz) is third party software.

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@kolla

i have X sdk installed by xcode . sure isnt did by apple X quartz?

XQuartz 2.7.6_rc1 (xorg-server 1.14.5.901)
© 2003-2013 Apple Inc.
2003 XFree86 Project, Inc.
© 2003-2013 X.org Foundation, Inc.

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"Single core performance is what matters"

Future is multicore, therefore I would be interested in seeing:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxNz0P5oVk2wSkJYbXR6Rm1kbm8/view?usp=sharing

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@tlosm

yes who cares. If I want a linux box I can build a x86 system for half the price of a x5000.

@tangoone

I care, thank you for asking!

@KimmoK

While I am scaptic about multiprocessing and OS4 and MorphOS (non NG!, NG will) detailed results would be best of course. Intention of my post was that a Linux SMP result of the board will say little (actually will be misleading) about speed on non (s)mp OS4 or MorphOS.

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@tangoone

Again with the "stop having other interests than me" point of view.

What IS it with us grumpy old Amigans?

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@olegil

バカこと大好きみたい、I'm not translating what I just said...

But I think anyone who can read it is disqualified

Anyone else wanting UTF8 input completed on AmigaOS for multi-language input support without needing to change key maps or fonts in using two or more languages concurrently?

@tangoone

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es who cares. If I want a linux box I can build a x86 system for half the price of a x5000.

I care ... More os for a motherboard is better than only one os ... and if this os is smp and full 3d / 2d acellerated is much better

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@tlosm

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i have X sdk installed by xcode . sure isnt did by apple X quartz?

Yes and no:

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== Disclaimer == XQuartz is released by the open source XQuartz project. While Apple Inc. is an active participant in this project, it should be noted that this is a community sponsored release and not an official Apple release.

And no, X11 server is not integrated into OS X

@Belxjander

Hehe, my kanji is rotten and the rest of my japanese is deteriorating more rapidly than I had hoped, but that phrase gave me a lot more difficulties than it should have. I had forgotten that "dai suki" was so tricky a phrase, mixing two kanji and a hiragana, so had to throw in a batch or two of towels

I eventually recognised "baka", though. Interestingly enough I would have taken that immediately had you used the horse and the deer kanji, as that's my favourite word in the whole universe, fool.

Google managed it as a complete phrase, but wasn't very helpful when I tried it bit by bit.

Doesn't help that "suki" translates as "like" and "mitai" translates as the 'other' "like" either. All this made me want to learn some japanese again, dang you.

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@tlosm

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... and if this os is smp and full 3d / 2d acellerated is much better

Um, about so called 2D acceleration.

Here is a quote from an old Tom's hardware article:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2d-windows-gdi,2539-4.html

"Early support for hardware acceleration of so-called “2D primitives” in graphics cards is gone, and has been missing from consumer-grade products for some time now. Today, acceleration of two-dimensional graphics functions comes as an analog to three-dimensional acceleration, but is handled solely and completely by graphics driver software rather than on-board hardware."

To the best of my knowledge, the R500 series is the last Radeon line that offered real 2D acceleration.
SO...when anyone wonders why the Radeon X1950XT performs as well as it does under MorphOS, well...it has 3D AND 2D acceleration.

As to SMP, we could have it.
That isn't speculative, there are a couple ways to get it.
One affects backwards compatibility, the other requires separate boxes for 31 bit and >31bit code.
And there is always the option of continuing to run a 31 bit OS while using high memory for discreet purposes and using additional cores for ASMP.

@iggy

Well, from the moment Hans' mentioned that there won't be 2D acceleration for video in newer graphics drivers, someone came up with the idea that this could be emulated using 3D primitives, but I must say that for this it's better to rewrite the higher layer to support it, rather than trying to shoe-horn in a compatibility layer.

However, once an Amigan grabs onto an idea (in this case, GPU assisted video playback using decade-old software), xhe (for x in '' or 's', where the former is by far the most likely) will rarely let go of said idea.

Mostly, when people here write "2D acceleration", they mean simply "video framebuffer scaling and colour space conversion". Sometimes they mean other things, but it all boils down to "can be emulated by 3D hardware, but software will need updating".

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@michalsc


Just for remember what is Xquartz
(xorg-server 1.14.5.901)


http://www.xquartz.org/Quote:

The quartz-wm window manager included with the XQuartz distribution uses the Apple Public Source License Version 2.

http://www.opensource.apple.com/license/apsl


GlxGears Mesa Xquarz on G5 Quad


it is installed by default on my Machine ... Tiger, Leopard and El Captain

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@olegil

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"2D acceleration"

means using the H264 deconding acclerations did by the GPU too

In any way... .this was not possible at this speed since 2 months ago...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P2HtBfVdwY --webgl amdgpu Xorg really good performances (wrong colors 4 now)

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12549136_10205483644952118_5770526244777699328_n.jpg?oh=a9eb3bedbd9172e07f64e3d2b417f268&oe=57046D60 -- 1080p HTML5 youtube video play

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@Belxjander

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Belxjander wrote: @olegil バカこと大好きみたい、I'm not translating what I just said... But I think anyone who can read it is disqualified Anyone else wanting UTF8 input completed on AmigaOS for multi-language input support without needing to change key maps or fonts in using two or more languages concurrently?

Oh yes, please!

@tlosm

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Quote: "2D acceleration" means using the H264 deconding acclerations did by the GPU too

Not really, that is hardware assisted video decoding.
It would not be particularly useful for a single frame, instead its real function is for the decoding of video streams.

As such, your blurring of the definition isn't valid.

@tlosm

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tlosm wrote: @kolla i have X sdk installed by xcode . sure isnt did by apple X quartz? XQuartz 2.7.6_rc1 (xorg-server 1.14.5.901) © 2003-2013 Apple Inc. 2003 XFree86 Project, Inc. © 2003-2013 X.org Foundation, Inc.

Still not part of the OS, not for quite some time, it's an app you have to download and install explicitly.

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