@cdimauro

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cdimauro wrote: @agami: Reinventing the wheel with another AROS 68k fork it doesn't make sense at all, especially taking into consideration the mentioned APL license...

Tell that to the handful of Ubuntu-based spin-offs.

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@agami

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agami wrote: @cdimauro Quote: cdimauro wrote: @agami: Reinventing the wheel with another AROS 68k fork it doesn't make sense at all, especially taking into consideration the mentioned APL license... Tell that to the handful of Ubuntu-based spin-offs.

Those aren't AROS forks, if you meant Arix and/or AxRuntime.

Instead, they are AROS-based. To be more precise, there's Linux and then AROS running on top as any other application (to simplify the concept).

@cdimauro

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cdimauro wrote: @agami Those aren't AROS forks, if you meant Arix and/or AxRuntime. Instead, they are AROS-based. To be more precise, there's Linux and then AROS running on top as any other application (to simplify the concept).

Are you telling me this because you believe that I don’t know the difference between Ubuntu Linux and AROS?

You said that reinventing the wheel with another 68k AROS fork doesn’t make sense at all.
So I picked just Ubuntu from 50+ other x86-64 Linux distros to draw a parallel.
Why does it make sense for ZorinOS to reinvent the Ubuntu wheel, when there’s already Ubuntu (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc), and Pop OS, KDE Neon, etc?

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@agami

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agami wrote: @cdimauro Quote: cdimauro wrote: @agami Those aren't AROS forks, if you meant Arix and/or AxRuntime. Instead, they are AROS-based. To be more precise, there's Linux and then AROS running on top as any other application (to simplify the concept). Are you tell me this because you believe that I don’t know the difference between Ubuntu Linux and AROS?

Well, if I had no doubts about it I wouldn't have written it, right?
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You said that reinventing the wheel with another 68k AROS fork doesn’t make sense at all.

Indeed: wasted resources, since we were talking about the 68k flavour.
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So I picked just Ubuntu from 50+ other x86-64 Linux distros to draw a parallel. Why does it make sense for ZorinOS to reinvent the Ubuntu wheel, when there’s already Ubuntu (Kubuntu, Xubintu, etc), and Pop OS, KDE Neon, etc?

I fully agree. Linux's distros are A MESS

That's another reason why I love Windows: "one ring to dominate all".

Luckily the Amiga sorcerers spawned Poettering, to destroy both Linux and Windows from within.

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@kolla

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kolla wrote: Luckily the Amiga sorcerers spawned Poettering, to destroy both Linux and Windows from within.

Are you of those who threatened Poettering's life?

It's really funny (!) to see how much the Linux / (differently) free (!!) software zealots fill their mouths up of propaganda about the freedom (!!!) of the platform whilst there's something which they don't like at all.

Then the word freedom (!!!!) is suddenly transformed to indignation and even threats!

Do you understand that if Linux is "free" (!!!!!) you can use whatever distro that you want, if you don't like systemd?

AFAIR Slackware and Gentoo are still supporting the obsolete Sys-V init system. And Debian was forked in Devuan from some zealots to preserve this crap.

So, there are options and definitely you can create your own distro as you like. This is freedom, right?

But no, you zealots are not satisfied and you've to blame someone which has created a NEW tool. So, NEW OPPORTUNITIES to ENRICH the Linux ecosystem.

Because NOBODY ABOLISHED the old crap that you like: it's still there!

Just use it since you like it so much but stop your stupid Talibans war towards who decided to take a different way WITHOUT taking you off your beloved one!

@pixie

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This RTG system is developed by you on top of AROS?

Warp2D Library?

@cdimauro

Sheesh, did that hit a nerve or something? My comment was tongue-in-cheek. The reason why Poettering caused a lot of controversy was only because he was at RedHat. RedHat has a lot of saying into what happens with the projects like Gnome, that quickly became reliant on pulseaudio and systemd. So to avoid systend, one must also avoid Gnome etc. Now Poettering is with Microsoft, and we’ll see what controversy he can manage to stir up there.

Personally I’ve been running Gentoo for more than two decades without systemd, as I much prefer OpenRC (which isn’t tied to Linux).

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@kolla

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kolla wrote: @cdimauro Sheesh, did that hit a nerve or something? My comment was tongue-in-cheek. The reason why Poettering caused a lot of controversy was only because he was at RedHat. RedHat has a lot of saying into what happens with the projects like Gnome, that quickly became reliant on pulseaudio and systemd. So to avoid systend, one must also avoid Gnome etc. Now Poettering is with Microsoft, and we’ll see what controversy he can manage to stir up there. Personally I’ve been running Gentoo for more than two decades without systemd, as I much prefer OpenRC (which isn’t tied to Linux).

Only controversies? I've reported something else which happened to Poettering: are you aware of it?

Because of the usual issue: blind fundamentalism...

During recent development Amibench has had a graphics performance upgrade due to a latest version of our Picture.Datatype V46.6 and Datatypes.Library V46.22


Amibench running in 1080p on the forthcoming A600GS

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amigakit wrote: During recent development Amibench has had a graphics performance upgrade due to a latest version of our Picture.Datatype V46.6 and Datatypes.Library V46.22 Amibench running in 1080p on the forthcoming A600GS

wiki.amiga.org doesn't seem to allow direct linking.

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Will you allow/release Amibench on its own or on other platforms?

Would you make Amibench v46 Pi Edition? for an example?

Best of luck with the project.

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@amigang

AmiBench contains commercial proprietry software such as the SystemV46 commands and gadgets/classes, AK-Datatypes etc. So we will not give it away free as it represents a lot of development costs and investment over the years. However we may bundle it with our Pistorm cards in the near future. The current focus is on releasing it with the A600GS as it's default OS.

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Thanks God you can freely use AROS! :) I just hope you give something back so the core you rely one gets stronger and both can benefit!

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@pixie

We have not had to change any AROS components (yet). However if we make any improvements we would be delighted to commit the changes back.

We had some problems with friend bitmaps being copied and slowing down background refreshes. However as we have our own proprietry Picture Datatype Class and Datatypes Library we could solve the performance problems in 1080p.

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Some good development work in the last few weeks on AK-Datatypes: AK-ILBM updated, Picture Datatype updated and Datatypes Library updated in their PPC (V54) and 68K (V46) versions.

We are upgrading these ready for the forthcoming Enhancer Software V2.3 and also the A600GS.

AK-ILBM Datatype V54.19 / V46.19
Datatypes Library V54.24 / V46.24
Picture Datatype V54.9 / V46.9

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Looking good, Louis!

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This weeks developments to AmiBench for the A600GS:

ARM Graphics Library V46.5 (added)

Datatypes Library V46.26 (updated)

Picture Datatype V46.12 (updated)

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How does an ARMgraphics.library integrate with the system? The system and apps would be looking for a graphics.library. So is the graphics.library patched to divert to it or another method?