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Events : SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG Fair Report |
| posted by SlimJim on 29-Mar-2003 23:01:01 (5218 reads) |
The AmiGBG2003 fair was held in Gothenburg, Sweden on Saturday 29/3. Swedish Amiga user SlimJim has written an extensive report at AmigaWorld. Read more for SlimJim's Fair report.
The AmiGBG2003 fair was held in Gothenburg, Sweden on Saturday 29/3. Swedish Amiga user SlimJim has written an extensive report at AmigaWorld. Read more for SlimJim's Fair report.
Last year's AmiGBG was the first of its kind to be held in Sweden in a long time. This novelty attracted some 400 visitors last year. This year the attendance was a lot poorer - one of the organizers (the nice fellow known as Sharakmir on the 'net) estimated some 140 persons in attendance during the day. Personally I thought it felt like more, but clearly the crowded floor of last year was not repeated this time. Part of this might well be that the novelty of an Swedish Amiga fair has worn off; but the lack of availability of AOS4 had probably the biggest impact on people's willingness to travel from afar.
I just got back from the show, after spending some hours on the train home. I thought I'd share some of my impressions. First of all I want to make clear that I made no notes or recordings, but are reporting straight from memory. If I get some facts wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me. Also, I didn't visit all exhibitors to the same extent. So if I miss someone, it's not intentional. Just writing off the top of my head here.
First off - the enthusiasts, the user groups, the hobby developers, the people forming the backbone of the Amiga community.
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ACG Gothenburg - they had this nifty Amiga nostalgia corner showing some classic demos. They also had a cool two-player setup - bestdescribed it as a board with two integrated joysticks with buttons, like the front of an arcade machine - where Rocketz deathmatches wereplayed. They held a wide range of the classic Amiga models of old. Like the A1000 they were running Shadow of the Beast II on. Also they displayed an alluring range of original games (their packaging). Unfortunately they were not for sale (or they thought I looked too shady to buy them, I don't know... )
The norwegian Amiga magazine Amitopia (soon to be distributed in USA if I understood it correctly) held a corner selling magazines and playing Payback. Next to them were "Explosives, Brother!", an Amiga inspired music group that were present last year too. Walked by and someone happened to have a sid of "The Last Ninja" running. Ah, the memories...
Richard "Dawnbringer" Fhager released the latest version of his game "BabeAnoid" on the fair. Nice clean Arcanoid-with-a-lot-of-twists-game. Many people were trying it out under his watchful eye. The game is free and can be downloaded from his website: .
Ole-Egil and Justin was there showing AOne's running Debian Linux. Nothing much new there (except that Ole-Egils beard has grown out of bounds...), the news in this area came, as expected, from Alan Redhouse (see below)
The editor of Azine, Magnus Andersson, was there, selling mgazines and memberships to ACG. Azine is Swedens biggest Amiga magazine, and is run by ACG, Amiga Computer Group, that unfortunately didn't have as large a presence as large year (they do have quite some bit to travel, it should be mentioned).
There were several other user groups there, too many to mention and I didn't talk enough with them as to give any proper review of their activities. I leave that up to others. But they all contributed to the mood and experience of the fair. Notables were the Swedish Atari Club, some guys controlling a mechanical head with an Amiga
1200(?) and of course Amiga Rulez, the Swedish Amiga news site.
Now on to the commercial players and seminar holders in general.
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I talked a bit with Jens Schönfeldt (spelling?) of Individual Computers about his new Delphina soundcard. A nice guy, very entusiastic about his product. Currently the Delphina is a Zorro-only board, but it will be expanded by the "Flipper" add-on (making it the Delphina-Flipper") which essentially creates a card having a PCI connector on one side and a Zorro connector on the other, making this soundcard viable for e.g AOne in the future. The Flipper will also add stuff like MIDI ports. The card is, according to Jens, outperforming e.g. the Soundblaster cards by far in sound quality due to using a very high quality codec chip.
AROS was present both with a exhibitor table and in the seminar schedule. One of their representatives (whose name I didn't catch, sorry) held a nice presentation of the increasingly useful AROS desktop. So far (he said), the Workbench itself has quite limited use (lacks a graphical file manager among other things - only a very rudimentary version is working as of yet), but most "under the bonnet" stuff were done. He displayed some cool effects not present in original AOS3, such as arbitrarily shaped windows (he had one shaped like the female cat logo of AROS) and having transparent areas of a window (he clicked in the empty arc under the cat's tail, and marked the window behind it). A clever use of layers indeed. Overall AROS seem to be progressing well, albeit slow. Only some 15 developers are actively working on the project for the moment. I know for one that Johan "Graak" Forsberg took a lot of pictures of this presentation (and probably of every seminar, he said he had taken 140+ pictures), so more of this will hopefully be forthcoming.
Genesi was in attendance with five Pegasos machines running MOS 1.2 (from what I gathered). The representatives were friendly and handed out wads of T-shirts (with the "I have a gift for you" wrapped-in MOS package) to anyone
even just looking in their direction. I sat down in front of one of them. First time I tried MOS actually. The desktops they use for the fair (and I suppose all fairs) are very nice. Looking very professional. The wireless mouse is perhaps not as clever to use for fair presentation - it's a little poor in reacting on the surface they had avaliable, and that affects the impression on screen. And the keyboard is absolutely horrible. But of course, those things are hardware cosmetics, unique to these showcase boxes, and have nothing to do with the system per se. But first impressions are important on shows such as this. Something to think about until the next fair perhaps.
I sat down with MOS. One of the first things that interests me when trying a new OS is configurability, so I opened up the prefs. There are plenty of good configuration utilities. You can have the windows go outside the window borders, you can have the menus pop-up under the mouse and have them behave in various ways. Apparently you can have keyboard shortcuts to plenty of actions, which is a must for me, and good to see. So far there are no prefs to change the looks of native gadgets directly (you have to create a style to do so). This will be remedied in the future, I was told. Overall the system is quick (but that bloody mouse is a drawback when judging this). Clicking is certainlyresponsive and windows start up quickly. Frogger ran some movies at good speed. Small things like getting a file manager when left-clicking on the background is also a nice touch. Unfortunately the system is still having stability issues. The system locked up two times for me during my half-hour testing run, and the mouse cursor slowed down to a crawl on several occations (and that wasn't a mouse problem). However these problems seem mostly located in certain modules (such as the integrated skinning feature that apparently was rather newly implemented from what they told me). I can imagine the slowing of the mouse being some sort of debug stuff, but I don't know. Summa sumarum MOS looks and feels rather nice and have some fine touches and good attention to detail. But it is definately not complete yet for a wide ignorant audience. It still has a very real "beta" sense over it. In my most humble opinion of course.
Genesi held a seminar early on, but unfortunately I missed it. Someone else must fill in the details on that one.
Gunne Steen of GGS data sold stuff all day long. I picked up a copy of "Tales of Tamar". Doubt I'll have time to play it seriously any time soon though... In time for the show, a batch of new Pegasos boards arrived for GGS data. People were able to buy them right there on the show. I don't know how many, if any, he sold though. Gunne also held a small seminar showing Linux running on the Pegasos, and also some short displays of starting programs in MOS. I assume the bulk of MOS demonstration was made at the Genesi seminar I missed.
Alan Redhouse of Eyetech came empty handed to the fair. Everyone had hoped he would have a bunch of AmigaOneG4-XE:s with him, but that was not to be. It was planned up to the last minute. But the boards, arriving from the far east certification got stuck in Cologne. Far east certification you ask? Originally the plan was for the manufactured boards (manufactured by the plant somewhere in Asia) to be quality assured by Eyetech and delivered to customers at the rate of QA-completion. But the manufacturing plant and Eyetech both decided it was too expensive to ship eventual faulty boards back to Asia for fixing. So they hired a professional QA firm in Asia to do
the extensive checkups directly. This means that the boards arriving in Europe will be complete for delivery, and the through-flow to customers will thus be quicker. As always a matter of economy. We would have had the boards today had the mail delivery been kind. Starting monday, GGS data should have them and will begin shipping them out to pre-order customers, if I understood it correctly. No info was given as to how many boards we are talking about in this first shipment.
Alan held quite an extensive speech on the AmigaOne platform and the future of mainstream Amiga applications in general. All of it wasrecorded by at least three cameras, so I hope clips will be made available eventually. He started off debunking some rumors that have been floating around. He stated very firmly that the AOne in general and the Articia in particular held no performance hampering bugs (referring to the latest revision that is now shipping). He also repeated the presently stated information about MAI being a fabless company and Eyetech:s role in bringing the boards into bigger quantity production.Alan and the president of MAI apparently have a very close business relation, being into contact several times a week. Alan also adressed the overall problems inherent in the AOne + AOS4 project. One being to get info from the big chip manufacturers. Particularily Motorola and VIA were very lack with handing out technical support to such a small player as the Amiga effort, lack to such an extent that lots of work and time was needed were it could have been avoided. Alan seemed very impressed with IBM though. They had been very helpful and supportive. He said that such good relations had been established to IBM that he was seeing some major collaboration with them in the future. Other problems he mentioned, we already know
about, such as Hyperion being forced to take on external projects to fund development. He presented the already complete blueprints for a more public retail-friendly AOne. I'm not sure if this was the AOne-Lite or if I confuse the names (I think he also talked about another new board, but my memory is failing me here). It is very clear though that any future AOne models is completely dependant on the sales of the current model lineup.
It is clear that Eyetech and Hyperion is looking for ways to establish a wider market for their boards-and-OS combo. It is a harsh economical reality out there; Alan is, counting positively, expecting a sale of around 10000 AOne units, ranging up to 30000 if people from the sidelines start buying in en masse. To get economics of scale more has to be done. On the hardware side Eyetech will sell the board as linux servers (the low power consumption and accompanying low heat dissipation being the major selling point). But AOS4 is (reading between the lines here) already being done with it being a viable integrated OS in mind. A rock-steady, small footprint OS to run embedded devices might be just what the doctor ordered. But Alan asked us to not make too much fuss about it, so I won't. As always, there are many plans for the future, and only time will tell what comes to frutition.
Someone asked the inevitable question: "Give an estimate: How far away is AOS4?" And Alan pondered. He rubbed his moustache. He looked up into the sky as if calculating in his head. You could have heard a pin hit the floor as a room of Amigans held their collective breaths. Then he said: "Oh...I think they are som 1500 km away or so." Life in Amiga-world returns to normal. "When its done" is still the invariable answer, the one frustrating but fair constant in our little world of computer turmoil.
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Overall, I was satisfied with travelling a total of six hours to and fro Gothenburg to attend AmiGBG2003. As always, I am extremely impressed with the people taking time out of their busy lifes to arrange an event such as this. Not to mention all the entusiasts coming from afar to set up tables to display what they create with, and enjoy about, the Amiga. It was also nice to be able to put a face to some of the people one normally only meet on the Internet. Thanks to all of you guys (especially all the people I forgot to mention), and hope to see everyone next year!
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SlimJim
(if anyone notice any factual errors in here, please e-mail me at slimjim@amiga.org and I'll fix them (or rather have the webmaster fix them  ) |
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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG Fair Report
Posted on 30-Mar-2003 10:18:33
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| Thanks for the report, SlimJim.
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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG Fair Report
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| Great job and thank you!
Just one thing though... the mention of new Amigas
awakens the hardware nerd in me, any aditional info on those blueprints? |
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Alan made clear that the current AOne:s is mainly aimed
for the Amiga market and other computer-savvy niches.
The next model (late this year, at the earliest, and
depending on the sales of AOne) will be a model more
aimed at normal high street outlets. This is a push for the
PPC processor in general, I think. The role of AOS4 is still
more sketchy for mainstrem use. But the design is ready. He showed us
the blueprints and some specs. I'm sure pictures will be
appearing shortly.
One sweet tidbit he gave us was, and I (semi)quote: "IBM
wants a copy of AOS4 the moment it is released [...]
IBM really wants a copy of AmigaOS 4. ".
Which, even it leads to nothing, still is rather amazing, in
my opinion.
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| @SlimJim
Hmm, I must have missed you :(
Would have been nice to have a chat with you there. Very nice report, btw.
The Delfina as sold now, is only for the clockport though, not zorro yet - that would be released in about 2 months - and this flipper card would provide you with pci and zorro and would fit directly ontop of the other delfina card. (I just got one, and I talked to Jens alot about this, since I don't have an A1200).
Imho, Jens was positively the best at the show.
I didn't know he had been in business for so long, he started 1994 and came out with his first products early '95. After he made his first product(I think it was Graffiti) people came to him and asked him to engineer other products with other features.. ("Hey, can't you do this? it would be a great thing to have..") :)
//a very tired reflect
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Yes, would have been nice to have a chat. I talked with Graak, Sharakmir, ole-egil and a few others though.
Ok, I missed the part on the Delphina being Zorro. Coming to think of it, it did hang out of the tower he was showcasing - I assume in retroperspect that was a towered A1200.
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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG Fair Report
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| One sweet tidbit he gave us was, and I (semi)quote: "IBM wants a copy of AOS4 the moment it is released [...] IBM really wants a copy of AmigaOS 4. ". |
Oh yeah! I've wondered about this for a long time now. I remember even posting on AO in awhile back that IBM should be happy to build Amiga clones as it would provide them with a commercial consumer level OS for the PPC that they do not have currently. [I know that you didn't say they were building Amiga's, but I'm just injecting some fun possibilities]
Of course, I'm jumping into speculation of my own now, but they have to be interested in OS4 for their PPC systems and even embedded devices.
That would be the kind of backing and support that would make people notice Amiga's again, IMO. |
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Yes, it's very cool. About the embedded devices, all I can
say is you'd better start attending those fairs if you want
to get [some of] the bigger picture. 
Also, Rogue posted a very interesting comment on a.org
just now about AOS4 and its closeness to being
demonstrated on CSPPC on the show. Seems the emulator
integration is almost done...
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| I would love to go to some of the shows, but being in the US, it would be rather expensive. About the embedded stuff, I think it was already touched upon, at least briefly in the recent issue of CAM. I think exciting times are still ahead.
And I did just read Rogue's comment about the CSPPC OS4 demo. Too bad they didn't get that worked out before the show. I guess it was a timing issue due to the emulation speed, but it only happened at certain times, if I understood him correctly. Sounds like it is almost at "ready to show" stage. |
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| Actually, it was a towered A4000 that belonged to Gunne's son (Gunne runs GGSData, for those who doesn't know). The card was connected to some other card made from Individual Computer, all his cards has the clockport.. I wasn't aware that you could use this port when you didn't have an A1200, that came as a surprise to me! :)
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| I guess it was a timing issue due to the emulation speed |
Yes. It seems that certain sequences of access to the custom chip registers can cause a lockup when performed from the PPC. The workaround was easy, but of course it took some time to find out why the machine suddenly stopped dead. We almost lost two days to that.
Well, the good part about this is that it gives us a bit more time to prepare the demo. And I bet there's other shows coming up |
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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG Fair Report
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| One minor thing - I run YellowDog Linux on my AmigaOne
But yes, Ole-Egil and Kjell do run Debian Linux on their machines 
It was a great show and it was good to see the ppl from AmiGBG again
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| I walked home from the show with 3 new machine, 3 new games and a new delfina soundcard. It was a joy to get home and start opening the old, dusty machines up, cleaning and checking that they're fully ok. I haven'tr tried everything out yet, but I'm hoping to have done that towards the weekend.
It's always nice to meet so many others, likeminded yet unique at these kinds of shows.
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| Thanks alot for your excellent report SlimJim. |
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