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Software News   Software News : Mesa 7.9 available for AROS
   posted by deadwood on 21-Oct-2010 17:48:09 (5552 reads)
The latest version of Mesa 3D library has been ported to AROS. Together with changes in Nouveau driver, Mesa 7.9 brings important improvements to AROS 3D support.



Highlights of this release:
- new GLSL (shader language) compiler utilizing GPU power
- enabling of shader processing in GeForce 5 series and above cards
- fixes to 3D rendering quality in GeForce 5 series cards
- 200%-300% performance improvement in 3D rendering to GeForce 5,6 and 7 series cards
- major performance improvement with 2D operations for all supported GeForce cards cards

Mesa 3D is an open source library implementing OpenGL interface. It supports software and hardware rendering via Gallium3D drivers.

Nouveau is an open source driver for nVidia GeForce cards. It supports accelerated 2D operations on cards starting from GeForce 1 series up to GeForce 250 GTS series. It supports 3D operations on cards starting from GeForce 5 series up to GeForce 250 GTS series.

The update is available in AROS nightly builds. If you wish to upgrade your system, copy the following files: DEVS:Drives/gallium.hidd, DEVS:Drivers/softpipe.hidd, DEVS:Drivers/nouveau.hidd, LIBS:gallium.library, LIBS:mesa.library.
    

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Drako 
Re: Mesa 7.9 available for AROS
Posted on 21-Oct-2010 18:23:41
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wooooowwww

Well done deadwood

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kas1e 
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Rokz. All that mesa/gallium stuff are cool.

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Great work. Ill wait until a live public version appears until i try it out.

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ruben 
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Awesome! Many thanks for all hard work on this

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elwood 
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AROS is starting to ridicule all other Amiga operating systems...

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DAX 
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@Elwood
Don't exagerate, work is underway on this subject.

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IMO, you are too optimistic, but who knows....

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What is cool is that all done by single person (deadwood), while not aos4 developers, not even morphos developers not have latest normal mesa with HW rendering (i not say about gallium even).

@elwood
Hanz is works on it, but when all of this will be done - no one know. And more of it, no one know how bug-fixing / speedup ing will coming after release, because just release it and forget about its not what is all os4 users waiting for. Deadwood port/rewrite all of this, and then fixing bugs, improve speed and so on. That is pretty cool and how it must be.

While all os4/mos developing always in mystery and secrets, AROS always show all the progress every day, without silence and so on. Of course AROS have problems and alt, but all that 3D stuff done by deadwood pretty impressive.

Last edited by kas1e on 22-Oct-2010 at 09:37 AM.

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Btw, for example Yannick port few days ago game called "CuboSphere" to AROS, and while game maybe not uber-impressive, it use shaders, and i can only imagine how many modern and really good games we can have on os4/mos, if it will have fast/good realisation of MESA/Gallium3D.

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Are not Aros API compatible with OS3.1? What prevents that somebody port it to OS4/MOS from deadwood sources? or even to OS3.x? so difficult is?

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@DAX
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Don't exagerate, work is underway on this subject.


The have been saying the same about USB 2.0 support for years now...

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@kas1e

Please remember that I'm not coding all this stuff - I'm just porting it over to AROS. In this case we are taping into a huge open source community and in this way we accelerate AROS growth.

EDIT: My work cannot be compared by any measures with work on someone developing a driver from scratch.

Last edited by deadwood on 22-Oct-2010 at 10:29 AM.

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AROS is starting to ridicule all other Amiga operating systems...


I think this is very positive. If an open-source variant starts to overtake a closed-source variant in features, then this should be telling us something. Maybe developing a closed-source commercial OS with just a few contractors doesn't fit two well in a tiny market such as this.

Btw, I don't think that AROS has already overtaken OS4, but at least it is much more versatile and it's easier to see what is going on (just look at the recent " Where is Hyperion? Why no OS4 news?????" thread).

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I think this is very positive. If an open-source variant starts to overtake a closed-source variant in features, then this should be telling us something. Maybe developing a closed-source commercial OS with just a few contractors doesn't fit two well in a tiny market such as this.


ATM my feeling are exactly those!

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clusteruk 
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Please do not use this great work to put down other Amiga flavours.

Deadwood has done amazingly well in this area, and others are also improving and being worked on but it is still a while to go before we are in the lead.

I hope that other developers can use the code being written on Aros to help the other platforms but to be honest they ARE working hard as well and will be worthy partners in this small market.

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Please remember that I'm not coding all this stuff - I'm just porting it over to AROS. In this case we are taping into a huge open source community and in this way we accelerate AROS growth.

Yes, of course, but i read your texts on aros3d.org, and it was not "just porting" :) You rewrite parts of code , adapt it to make works there and there, fighting with all that "global/unglobal" initializers, so its all in all pretty hard work anyway. Finding the bugs, understand all that .hidd crap, understand how gallium/mesa corporate beetwen, and integrate it to aos3 based OS for first : that all not easy for sure. And if you will not do it for now, i am not sure if aos4 devels will think that all of this more or less real.


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EDIT: My work cannot be compared by any measures with work on someone developing a driver from scratch.

Yep, of course. Hanz for now works heavy on the Radeons drivers for os4, and he keep in mind all that mesa/gallium support too, and of course all that harder in comparing with porting (even not easy porting). Also imho, adapting gallium to os4 will be also a bit harders, just because of Endianes differences (i do no know through, maybe gallium already have big endian (or even better ppc )-related code as well ?).

All in all, AROS itself have good 3d support already, and its open the gate for aos4 (and maybe for mos) developers, to think what need to do. And because AROS is opensource, they just can check the source codes with no problems. That all help a lot.

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@clusteruk
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I hope that other developers can use the code being written on Aros to help the other platforms but to be honest they ARE working hard as well and will be worthy partners in this small market.


100% it will helps , and while that news are about aros, it will helps everyone.

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Btw, I don't think that AROS has already overtaken OS4, but at least it is much more versatile and it's easier to see what is going on (just look at the recent " Where is Hyperion? Why no OS4 news?????" thread).


They are porting the OS to SAM460 and X1000 and making Radeon HD drivers. What more do you want to know? what do you want? a twitter account saying every hour something like "compiling OS4" "uknow error compiling OS4" "found error in compiling due a stupid error on a , " "break time to go to bathroom" ?

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Also imho, adapting gallium to os4 will be also a bit harders, just because of Endianes differences (i do no know through, maybe gallium already have big endian (or even better ppc )-related code as well ?).


Mesa and gallium have PPC paths already implemented - I think they are used for PPC Macs. This week also gallium have been compiled by AROS devs for ARM and M68K architectures - please note I used word "compiled" not "made working" ;)

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Mesa and gallium have PPC paths already implemented - I think they are used for PPC Macs.

That good to know. So, less works for aos4 team ..
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This week also gallium have been compiled by AROS devs for ARM and M68K architectures - please note I used word "compiled" not "made working" ;)

When you have something which are compiled, that mean half of way are passed :)

That all sound nice.

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