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I had an Palm m100 a few years ago and i coded some programs for it and sometimes my programs freezes the palmos so hard that it restarted itself... very cool feature

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@freaks

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it would be interesting to be able to chroot users in a dev env only.

There's no way do chroot someone in AmigaOS/like systems. So forget it.

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@thread

In regard to using "parallel" to achieve some goal here...
Does parallel "IN" even work on any model A1?
If so, with what hardware or software?

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@cHaOs667

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With the following programm you can reboot the A1 via an Workbench requester:

I'll try that out - it might help for DSI type errors that just kill the app being tested. Some crashes however need a complete off/on restart.

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@all

the above in general is a good idea... but also requires some kind of "VNC" passthrough server that
can check for a VNC response ACK off the machine being connected to...

I have used such "Terminal" KVM units before but only for a dedicated "network server" which
had an "external" reset trigger in the java client for a "Reset" to trigger a Hard-reset to the KVM

this sort of "network KVM" problem may be a side issue anyway...
I would personally love to have any sort of access to an AOS4 machine to dump code onto and do
development on... as for "chroot" and kin... unless you physically block access

like previously put into this thread... the AOS4 itself doesnt appear at first glance to have such
security in place due to the nature of the OS3 and previous being kept...

Network based security would have to be placed into the daemon server to restrict access rights
as for the FileSystem ... AFFS from Kickstart two provided the ownership/group and rwed attributes for
owner/group/other... however I have yet to see anyone actually make use of these

some attributes are there.... simply unused and ignored from what I can tell...

@all

I'm going to be getting my broad band connection re connected (i moved) this weekend

But I don't have a fixed IP address, is there any free domian pointer that would allow people to access my machine via a given domain name? then if the router was reset the user could still access as my machine would update every say hour that it is on a specific IP address thus letting developers code on my machine.

I would need the following information
1. a link to AmiVNC Server software and instructions on the setup
2. a domain pointing utility.

I have a developers licence for Cubic IDE and I'm not using it as much as I could so I would allow specific users to be able to vnc into my machine for development purposes.

OF course my preference would be for some one who would be looking to use the computer monday to friday 1am - 6pm GMT. so that I could use it 6 -> 12 if my new girlfriend allows me

and I'm about to upgrade to update 4


I will have a 2 meg line in the house.

Aldur

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yea, i too have Cubic IDE.
couldn't AmiVNC be patched, to only let the user have access to SDK: or something? Then the user could create a dir called SDK:UltraCoder/Sources were he stores his stuff..
And all necessary (cubic etc..) stuff could be copied into SDK:....

Wouldn't this be an easy/simple way of creating a kind of secure little box for coders to use/abuse?

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@thread

I think I'd prefer ssh (v2) access.

For current and I expect nearterm solutions, forget security once on the system- there isn't any. Someone could in theory create a menu system of sorts perhaps, but it wouldn't be infallible.

You could also allow access to a Linux system with the cross-platform SDK installed, which would be more secure, but wouldn't go beyond the 'it builds' stage unfortunately...this may not help some people out, but AFAIK there are still some people without a Linux box or SDK access, so it might be of some use?

I'd be more inclined to offer access to a Linux box with SDK, and create either a generic account, or even individual accounts, and then allow VNC access only for a very specific timeframe through my firewall..

Bear in mind, when people claim they have a 2MBit line...that's NOT for upload speed...I'm not positive, as I haven't used VNC into home in some time, but I do recall it being pretty painful speed-wise, as it was being bandwidth limited...so you might also need to reduce the resolution for it to be even remotely feasible..

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spotUP wrote: @aldur yea, i too have Cubic IDE. couldn't AmiVNC be patched, to only let the user have access to SDK: or something? Then the user could create a dir called SDK:UltraCoder/Sources were he stores his stuff.. And all necessary (cubic etc..) stuff could be copied into SDK:.... Wouldn't this be an easy/simple way of creating a kind of secure little box for coders to use/abuse?

You'd also need system commands in C, likely access to MUI:, LIBS: and elsewhere. What you really want is a restricted shell, and ssh access, not VNC. VNC has little to no security and I don't expect it would be easy to patch, as it allows full desktop use...which includes a hotkey for 'Execute a command' as well as running a shell...I don't think patching VNC is a reasonable expectation..

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@wegster

heh, well, i am afraid you are right.. :/ my idea has been shot down to many times now, i surrender! ;)
damn. it sounded so good.

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@spotUP

It was also proposed on the AmigaOpenOffice list, and when it was tested, proved to be way too slow.

Regards

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@spotUP

haven't read the whole thread so this might already be mentioned. But racktech.se has remote (webbased) "skarvdosor" (don't know of a good English word for it, sorry )

They have for 1-4-8 sockets. Probably a few hundred SEK, but what the heck, it's a cool thing to have.


Edit: google for "ePowerSwitch" and you'll find it.
Edit2: Here's a good link in English


/shoe

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@spotUP

I can offer my A1 to be usable by someone if needed. But I am sure it would be too slow

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I'll share my experience with "developing via VNC". My Pegasos box respawns VNC server at every start. Tiny session of Openbox is loaded and then it sits and wait. When I'm on my laptop I can access my normal workstation (Pegasos) and don't worry about my setting and stuff. At home I've set up a wireless network. You can notice minimal slowdown when something is moving fast, but for day-to-day development it's very useful. When I'm off my home, I can access Pegasos/VNC session via Internet. Mind, I have 1024/256 kbps. So, when my home network is quiet (Weronika's sleeping ) you can work, but it's not a pleasure. It only take another computer that generates normal traffic and.. VNC is unusable.

Also, lack of MU would be painful. You'll need to set another HDD without your personal stuff. You can also add to the "this is bad" list one thing. Ability to "borrow" AmigaOS4 binaries.

For what's worth, I would rather see Linux+SDK (heck, I could even setup few accounts on my Pegasos if I would have such SDK ) and accounts. Then, you would need team of edicated (and skilled) QA. Code developed on said machine would be fetched and compiled by The Orginal Amiga, then distributed to testers.

Sounds painful? Yeah, it's not an easy way to develop software, but when you have no hardware, you have to deal with it somehow.

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@aldur
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I have a developers licence for Cubic IDE and I'm not using it as much as I could so I would allow specific users to be able to vnc into my machine for development purposes.

I would strongly object if somebody makes my software available over the internet without a license to do so (which I would not grant, out of fear that it could be copied off the server).

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@dietmar

yepp, I had a feeling you would.
i'd never do it without asking you.

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@dietmar

I think that is why it would be better to have a utility that just allows access to the machine with all the developers files/tools located at their own machine.

That may be a bit hard to do though.

What I would do is just have a hard drive dedicated for developer use and have a switch wired up to the power cable. The switch goes one way, boot into a developer enabled machine. The switch goes the other way it is my own private drive.

Should there be a common build for a machine to be used by developers?

What sort of software should be on the machine other than OS4 and the SDK?


I think this thread is beginning to show why Amiga needs some sort of at least file security system.

@dietmar

In a perfect world it would be possible to lend the machine as well as its programs trough this process, as long as at the same time no other would be using as it seems to be the case, the main problem I see would be avoiding the misapropriation (ie-copying the program to another machine without the license) of Cubic IDE, not the act of using it trough VNC. If someone could find a solution both ends would be happy I guess.

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@pixie

Disabling NAT and forwarding VNC port from Amiga machine would probably do the trick.

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using it trough VNC

IMHO, this discussion amounts to discussing the icing before baking the cake. There still is no public SDK, no public cross compilation setup, no reasonable documentation, no public developer mailing list, no good developer resources (web site with documents, bug central, OS history, access to core developers, list of who-did-what-in-OS4) and so on. VNC could be a reasonable last step in the dev chain, to test a cross-compiled/cross-developed project on an A1 without buying one. As such, it could be interesting. But hardly a solution for writing software from the ground up: Too scarce (one computer, a few hours), too slow (net hiccups), too tedious and how many developers would feel comfortable with putting their source code on another machine?