@Helge

I suggest you buy it from AmigaKit. I feel so safe and secure with them that I am willing to give them my SIN number, they have excellent customer support, excellent services, excellent products, everything you need they have it. Their webpage is well designed they may be a little expensive with their products but you are not just paying for the products, you are paying for security, excellent shipping, services, etc.

No, they did not email me to boost them out, this is all coming from my heart and felt to express it out -_-.

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@Benji
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1) Is it in legal agreement with Amiga Inc?

If it was not legal why would ACube Systems and dealers like AmigaKit take the risk?

They are not getting rich on this by selling to us so there is no point in taking advantage of the situation from a business perspective. So why are they risking it if it isn't legal? Would you risk your business for a few sales of Sam440ep boards?

Besides, negotiations are scheduled for November (20th I believe) so maybe they will hammer out a new deal and settle that irrelevent argument once and for all. If not, we still have the Sam440ep and AmigaOS 4.1 and they can't just erase it from our hard drives and force us to burn our computer boards. I still have my MicroA1-C to prove that point.

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2) Why has it taken a year to get a beta port of OS4 to new hardware?

Software is complex. Do a Google search and find out how many projects fail world wide and how many run over budget and over time. And that's with proper funding by the way.

So, are you seriously considering buying a Sam440ep and AmigaOS 4.1? You can always call up AmigaKit and chat with them about your concerns and get their perspective.

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@Framiga

The end of world USA, and yes I'm going to spend $800 just for mobo and OS. REALLY, believe me or not.

OK. I'm quiet now. Sorry for that.

BTW. Last think and I don't have $100000 per year.

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@Helge
If you want OS4, then a Sam440 is your only option (and historically speaking also the cheapest option). So it's really a yes or no question - do you want OS4?

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2) Why has it taken a year to get a beta port of OS4 to new hardware?

The most likely answer is quite the obvious one: Legal disagreement between Hyperion & Amiga Inc #2, preventing the licensing of OS4 for non-AmigaOne hardware.

A better question might be "Why have we got a beta port of OS4 for new hardware NOW?". We most likely won't know the answer to that for a long time, but we can guess. My uneducated guess is that there is some sort of interim agreement between Hyperion & Amiga Inc #2 (forced by the judge), until the scheduled negotiations conclude; the timing makes this most plausible IMO. Another answer might be that Amiga Inc #2 is feeling the economic pinch, and finally gave some kind of concessions to Hyperion (and presumably Hyperion would have provided some concessions to them in return).

Whatever the answer, one answer that seems UNlikely is that Hyperion are breaking the law, just before they finally enter legal negotiations that might resolve the situation. Especially since we've heard not a peep from Amiga Inc - their silence is pretty much confirmation that they agreed to Hyperion's actions, or at least are not in a position to disagree with them.

(Of course: I Am Not A Lawyer, nor a Psychic, nor an Insider.)

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@kreciu

i would try to contact ACube directly. They may give you some clue about the availability and where to purchase it.

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@Helge

You should order one. Support your favorite OS.

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@Rogue

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Quote: @Lazi The wait is over! You should update your signature Seriously, I am curious what the skeptical crowd will say when the next announcement comes. I really am.

Hey! Pretty unfair to reply that to my post.
I am a faithful beleiver, a true "whole day" OS4.1 user!

@Helge

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I might be considering a SAM440ep for OS4.1

Buy it, have fun, enjoy.

Rude!

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@kreciu

Additional SAM motherboards will not be available until early November.

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@Foody

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I feel so safe and secure with them that I am willing to give them my SIN number..

Heh... foody... can *I* have your SIN number? (wink, wink)

No, seriously, enquiring minds want to know.

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@Rogue
It's like the difference between political polling of the general population and registered voters; you get 2 entirely different sets of numbers. Unfortunately you guys have no way of telling the likely buyers from the biggest talkers so you're probably better off ignoring most of this nonsense. Personally, I liked it when we had the AmigaOne forum that was only available to actual A1 owners. There was a lot less static obscuring the facts.

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@Xenic

You just gave me brain freeze with your big talk!

@Helge

Please do get the sam+os4 :) but please dont overclock it or touch too much on the hardware :D Fingers away and you will be fine

@Rogue

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Sam440ep is announced Crowd: AmigaOS 4 must come out on the Sam440ep. AmigaOS 4.1 is announced for AmigaOne Crowd: Not enough new stuff. Too expensive. Old hardware. can't buy hardware AmigaOS 4.1 is announced for the Sam440ep Crowd: The hardware is weak. Too expensive.

Yes we are seeing a pattern. In my opinion we can even go back further to see a pattern.... think about the time when Win-Hardware and Win-Software caught up with the AMIGA (Software in Terms of "Which tasks can I fulfill" not in terms of "how well an efficient it is designed and programmed"). E.g. the MS Office product family became a very powerfull and popular software, also Hardware specs became very important, because a lot of products needed Highend specs. Therefore the marketing people invested much to make the people belive "Massive Hardware is a must have to be trendy", and indeed you had to have that, otherwise good Software apps ran to slowly. From there on a lot of people compared every other Computer System (Amiga and also Apple Mac) with specs from the MS-PC World. Everybody forgot about the effiency of some Software out there (Crowd, Marketing People of Commodore, Programmers....).
Therefore Commodore and other companies start to work on better specs for the Amiga but never reached specs of the PC-World.
Honestly, nothing changed, some of you guys still compare with PC-World Specs. We have to be aware that the only plus we have in comparision to many other OSes is efficency. We (the marketing people, if there are any...) have to make clear that we donnot really need a megafast system, because our software (AMIGA OS) is massive fast. I do believe, that most of the every day Apps on Windows (Textprocessing, MP3 Encoding, Spreadsheet, Filemanagment, Digicam Pic reorg and change ....) would be at least as fast on a SAM with AOS 4.x.
But honestly we donnot have everyday Apps and I can only see a very few Apps who are trying to fill this gap (possible because most window apps are more than overloaded for "everyday usage" for a homecomputers, so a reduced spreadsheet app in comparision to Excel will most of the time enough anyway...).

So Amiga lost its leadership quiet fast, and donnot expect that a SAMep can or will catch up and take the leadership. AMIGA nearly always has been a hobby not a workhorse so donnot expect a workhorse, you donnot need a workhorse for your hobby - a SAM will do. Lets concentrate on the Apps and the marketing of the software/hardware combination like Apple does. Lets try to find a nitche (right word ??) where we can take over the leadership...

Your AMIGA1200 was never "master of the specs" but it was still fun...

Thanks Rough for commiting yourself to such a System, philosophy and software...

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@kreciu

Here in Germany SAM´s already had been delivered since a couple of days. And you were actually able to pic up the SAM´s including OS4.1 yourself from e.g. VESALIA. ALINEA will probably have new stock on 28th of October. Meanwhile you can chat with the lucky people, who already received a system:

http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12937

http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12899

These guys used a quiet affordable case so the system became a bit cheaper...

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@gerograph

I am starting work this November 1, 2008 (my first job between the two). I need to save 3k for the government income tax, ones I have this money saved which should take maximum two cheques in total (two month), the third month I am officially ordering SAM with OS 4.1 from AmigaKit as my final Amiga investment FOR LIFE in terms of hardware, etc. After this purchase, no more Amiga purchases that means Natami is out of the equation. I can do this or reverse the order and get Natami as my final Amiga hardware purchase.

What do you guys advice? (Serious as a hot cake with this question)

@Foody

Natami is a nice concept, Sam & OS4.1 is a great reality.

Have OS4 on classic and it really is a great OS, as was 3.xxx before it.
What you should take into account is apps are being developed for the faster machines that are no longer possible on a classic.

We don't need the grunt that windoze does but we do need a bit more than classic machines can provide.

Devs may well code for the Natami in the future but they are coding now for AOS4xxx now.

The latest AOS4 upgrade with more power, what's there to think about?

If you can afford it, get in now.

I missed out on the AmigaOne due to lack of funds, made sure I haven't missed out this time.

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@TiredofLife

You are right! I have had my eyes on AmigaOS 4.x ever since the first release of OS 4.0 for AmigaOne. I am not going to let this go, in four month period I will officially purchase SAM440 with AmigaOS 4.1 on it. I have calculate the total amount of funds I need to buy this machine:

It will officially cost me $1226.84 that include: Case, DVD-Writer, SAM 440, AmigaOS 4.1 and a 500 GB Hard Drive for 100 bucks.

@Foody

Good stuff.
I promise you, you wont regret it at all.

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