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nzv58l 
Will OS4 handle the new Daylight Savings Time schedule?
Posted on 10-Jan-2007 21:54:25
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I have just found out today that the Daylight Savings Time will take place on another date for the US. I am wondering if OS4 knows about the change and if it will properly update it's clock?

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Posted on 10-Jan-2007 21:58:11
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@nzv58l

To my knowledge, Canada will also make the same changes in order to be in sync with the American markets.

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Re: Will OS4 handle the new Daylight Savings Time schedule?
Posted on 10-Jan-2007 22:07:51
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I just found out at work here, so I thought I would make everyone aware of it.

I can run a test on my Amiga, but I won't be using it tonight so it will take me a bit before I can play with it.

They are saying it may cause more impact than the Y2K scare.

Personally I never liked Daylight Savings Time.

Last edited by nzv58l on 10-Jan-2007 at 10:09 PM.

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Posted on 10-Jan-2007 22:07:59
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@nzv58l

I also read on Microsoft's site that parts of Australia were making changes this time round, so wonder if that will work too.

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Re: Will OS4 handle the new Daylight Savings Time schedule?
Posted on 10-Jan-2007 22:23:54
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@nzv58l

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They are saying it may cause more impact than the Y2K scare.


Who are "They"?

Details please.

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ssolie 
Re: Will OS4 handle the new Daylight Savings Time schedule?
Posted on 10-Jan-2007 22:26:25
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@nzv58l
It is just a simple AmigaOS file update whenever some government changes its mind. You worry too much.

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@nzv58l

I just took a look at the Time Zone tab in the Locale prefs. It states that the next time zone change is April 1, 2007 which is the old, wrong way.

@ssolie
Considering our (nzv58l and mine) government "changed its mind" quite a while ago, I hope that simple file update shows up sometime in the next six weeks. Otherwise, I'm going to have to pretend to live in Chicago for a month.

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Re: Will OS4 handle the new Daylight Savings Time schedule?
Posted on 10-Jan-2007 23:19:50
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@ssolie

The Western Australian government introduced a 3 year trial of Day Light Saving on the 3rd of December last year, to be followed by a referendum... so how easy is it change this file (end user changable)? It would be nice to shift my A1 back to the timezone its supposed to be in.

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I'm not the lucky owner of an AOS4 system (yet), but I'm curious to know: Does OS4.0 make use of a (long) TZ environment variable ?

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No, there is a TZONE string environment variable.

@thread:

You can alter the settings for your country in LOCALE:Timezones/yourcountry.timezone

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Re: Will OS4 handle the new Daylight Savings Time schedule?
Posted on 11-Jan-2007 2:55:41
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Thanks Tony! Copied the appropriate rule to the WST timezone, saved, opened Locale prefs, adjusted, saved... and sweet!

Cheers!

Edit: Couldn't make much sense of the rule however.

Last edited by Reaps on 11-Jan-2007 at 02:56 AM.

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@Reaps

Darnit! Here I thought Hyperion would need to give us another update before March (underlying motive). Now all I need to do is update some settings. Dang! Amiga OS is too good!

As far as who was saying what, it is just from the rumor mill. I work in the IT field, so I overhear things all the time. Personally I don�t think it will be much of a problem as everyone seems to be aware of it, but I am sure some things will happen.

OK! I edited my Locale/Timezones/United States.timezone, now what do I change?

I see my timezone and I see the TZ key and the Rule sayse M4.1.0/2,M10.5.0/2.

So I change this to:

M3.11.0/2,M11.25.0/2

I take it that M3.11 would be March 11th I am not sure what the 0/2 is though. Does someone have a decoder ring for this stuff?

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@nzv58l
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Dang! Amiga OS is too good!

Yes, yes it is.

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syrtran 
Re: Will OS4 handle the new Daylight Savings Time schedule?
Posted on 11-Jan-2007 4:38:29
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@nzv58l

Quote:

nzv58l wrote:
@Reaps

So I change this to:

M3.11.0/2,M11.25.0/2

I take it that M3.11 would be March 11th I am not sure what the 0/2 is though. Does someone have a decoder ring for this stuff?


I did a little playing. M3.11.0/2 got me March 25. I set it to M3.2.0/2 and got March 11. I think the second number is the week. I'd guess the third number is day of the week. The /2 is probably the time the change occurs (24-hour format?).

Oh, and DST ends the first Sunday of November, not the last. That makes my string look like:

M3.2.0/2,M11.1.0/2

I hope that's right.

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Posted on 11-Jan-2007 8:22:28
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http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/TZ-Variable.html

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Posted on 11-Jan-2007 22:10:05
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@tonyw

Quote:
No, there is a TZONE string environment variable.


Is this variable created by the system ? (Time tool ?)
What is the format used ?
Is there documentation describing the format used for timezone / DST rule in OS4.0 ?
Can whatever use LOCALE:Timezones/yourcountry.timezone parse more than one string format ?

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Posted on 11-Jan-2007 22:50:03
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@nzv58l

What is the new rule? I'd like to change the internal rule in FACTS.

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Posted on 11-Jan-2007 23:22:50
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@Chris_Y

Quote:
What is the new rule?


syrtran got it right : M3.2.0/2,M11.1.0/2

See also : http://www.timeanddate.com/time/aboutdst.html

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Posted on 12-Jan-2007 5:41:06
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@AmigaPhil

Quote:

AmigaPhil wrote:
@tonyw

Quote:
No, there is a TZONE string environment variable.


Is this variable created by the system ? (Time tool ?)
What is the format used ?
Is there documentation describing the format used for timezone / DST rule in OS4.0 ?
Can whatever use LOCALE:Timezones/yourcountry.timezone parse more than one string format ?

What I discovered:
In the LOCALE:Timezones/ drawer are multiple XML files. Each file is for a different country, with the name -countryname-.timezone (e.g. Argentina.timezone). Inside the XML file is an array of < dict > entries for each timezone within that country, with each entry having its own TZONE string.


edit - Let's use Amiga terminology for directories

Last edited by syrtran on 12-Jan-2007 at 05:43 AM.
Last edited by syrtran on 12-Jan-2007 at 05:41 AM.

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Posted on 12-Jan-2007 9:45:36
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@nzv58l


Why can't you just set your clock from the net, via a
time server, works every time.


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