AmigaOS4.1 works fine with SSD? i mean there is any reason avoid SSD hard drives?

@Vanhapolle

yes, many people use SSD drives on their NG amigas. the only caveat is the lack of support for TRIM in AOS4, but otherwise, you're good to go. i've noticed a significant performance benefit of using SSD drives personally. have fun.

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i can say more... SSD Sata 3 works on AmigaOS 4.1 and not works on MacOSX 10.5 :-/
In any way because the Sata 2 ports of Ng machine will be more cheaper buy a Sata 2 SSD or a cheaper SSHD sata3 1 tb, i have 2 of this on My G5 Quad and can confirm are running great thanks to 64gb SSD space.

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@Vanhapolle

Only reason would be that they are expensive. I also believe the performance benefit would be quite a lot greater on windows than AmigaOS due to windows being much more disk heavy. But if you use FFS on your Amiga then an SSD will improve performance a lot also on AmigaOS, since FFS requires a lot of head movements on a disk.

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@Vanhapolle

I have a Samsung 840 pro 256GB SSD in my X1000 and very happy with it.

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@Vanhapolle

I have a 1 TB hybrid SSD/hard drive in my micro A1 and it works GREAT! It speeds up I/O considerably!

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Only Trim support makes me think this. and cheapest ones are almost same prices here than cheapsest normal disks. Sizeis of course is difference is aout 500gb vs 60gb. And i think some SSD hard drives have hardware level Trim support what about this?

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@Vanhapolle

I had been used a Verbatim sata 3 120 gb on my amiga 4000 CyberstormPPC -->Aca Os 4.1
a Samsung SSD 840 120gb on my Pegasos 2 and on Sam 460 OS 4.1
and a OcZ Vertex on my 440 mini itx os 4.1
With SFS for all my partitions on all machine zero problems everything was working great ,
but the better solution right now in term of money and performance is have a hybrid SSHD because are fast and priceless.
In my case i had been buy 2x 1 tb Segate SSHD and can say are really good .
For sure SSD are more faster in writing operations but AmigaOs because dont use the Virtual Memory like the other Os you will not see any difference thru SSD an SSHD plus is needed to remember all the NG have a SATA-SATA 2 controller or ATA (pegasos2 amiga One Xe) and some have the controller on PCI (135 mb/s max speed)

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@Vanhapolle

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Vanhapolle wrote: Only Trim support makes me think this. and cheapest ones are almost same prices here than cheapsest normal disks.

If trimming is your concern just buy a modern one, a lot of models have this in firmware and the OS doesn't need to support or even know about it.

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@Vanhapolle

The Seagate Hybrid drives have 8GB SSD in addition to the capacity of the fixed disk. The firmware automatically maps the most accessed files to the SSD section.

@Vanhapolle
Yes, my Sam440ep uses a SSD drive. fast start the OS and fast to reboot, the only problem with the SSD drives is when you try defrag this can damage the drive.

@Nibunnoichi

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If trimming is your concern just buy a modern one, a lot of models have this in firmware and the OS doesn't need to support or even know about it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't all SSD's work without trim support from the OS side, they just get gradually slower? (I guess they'll always be faster than traditional hard disks anyway)

And about "trim in firmware", how exactly would that be possible? I mean, isn't the whole idea that the filesystem can tell the drive that "Ok, bytes X-Y on the drive are no longer used, you can mark them free." - traditionally it's been enough that filesystem knows that, and uses these "free" blocks (which have whatever bytes there used to be, when they were still in use), and the drive itself doesn't need to know about it.

The only way I can see this in anyway "doable" would be that drive sniffs bus communications, recognizes certain patterns (Bytes X-Y marked empty on FAT32 partition etc.).

If such devices already exist (I doubt), you're free to make an educated guess whether or not they support any Amiga filesystems

Looks allready i going regular drivers i hope i get all what i need before chrismas.

@Vanhapolle

At first I used 2TB standard HD that came with default X1000 setup, but I accidentally left just one partiton so system was extremly slow.

After I've bought SSD [60 eur = 60 gig] to test and I was shocked - Amiga x1000 started flying!

So - SSD - ANY SSD is the right thing! Avoid standard HDs at any cost! :)

Amiga now performs faster than a bit more expensive Android tablet or phone so it is more than useful now! And is great fun for me, still enjoying from time to time playing with Amiga :)

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@djnick

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At first I used 2TB standard HD that came with default X1000 setup, but I accidentally left just one partiton so system was extremly slow.

What? What file system? FFS?
I can't really imagine the difference with SFS or JXFS on SSD or normal HD would be very noticable on an X1000. FFS should not be used.

Of course I have an X1000 with one 1TB and one 2TB normal disks and my X1000 is certainly not slow because of this. Copy data between them happens at up to 50MB/s, which means read/write speed of 100MB/s. Of course, with FFS you get about 1/10 of this speed unless you have SSD that has no seek-delay.

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@djnick

There were many factors involved in your X1000 being slow - that hard drive was set up totally incorrectly and would have been far faster if set up properly.

SSDs are faster for seeking so accessing multiple files in succession will be quicker, but the difference isn't so big that you shouldn't consider a traditional hard drive. For the price you get far more storage, and so long as you don't set them up badly they're fast enough for most purposes.

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@Templario

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the only problem with the SSD drives is when you try defrag this can damage the drive.

There is absolutely no need to defrag an SSD.

I have no idea what was file system, but the only thing I remember was - x1000 was totally unuseable. Starting any program - even text editor - required between a minute to 15 minutes. Opening Web browser was arond 12-16 min...

Who knows maybe file system was not set up properly but this was my experience.

Now I hapilly use x1000 when I want to browse the net / facebook / anything, just because of the speed. Its faster than my Samsng Galaxy tab 10.1 [which is a disaster], but also it is nearly as fast as iPad2 [which seems much slower now after I installed iOS8.1...

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by Templario on 4-Oct-2014 11:43:39 @Vanhapolle Yes, my Sam440ep uses a SSD drive. fast start the OS and fast to reboot, the only problem with the SSD drives is when you try defrag this can damage the drive.

I understand your concern about potential harm from running defragmentation on an SSD. It's true that unlike HDDs, which benefit from regular defragmentation due to their mechanical nature and slower read/write speeds, SSDs don't need it because they have no moving parts and access data much faster regardless of how fragmented the files are. In fact, doing so can reduce an SSD's lifespan by causing unnecessary write cycles.