@evilrich

Butt I think it’s possible, to get it to run close to AmigaOS4, the Linux kernel is open, and the new AmigaOS exec support memory protection, so maybe it’s just a matter of forwarding kernel calls

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@Legion

Well if you run Linux and AmigaOS and the same time you avoid the notice of a extra PSU & fan, GPU fan, CPU fan and shout / north fan, extra HD drives, butt this enables you to run server applications on relative open system like AmigaOS, whit out thinking about AmigaOS security issues, well you need to configure Linux.

For the normal AmigaOS user it enables access to Netscape, Opera whit out needing the extra PC.

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@Crumb

Where interesting hope you have the time to finish it, nice to have it, until have access to better web browser on AmigaOS, any way maybe there are few Mac games not ported to AmigaOS to explore too

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@Toaks

i think he meant porting MOL to AOS4.
That way we could doubleclick the MOL icon in OS4, and wee, MacOSX loads on another screen, lamiga+m and you're back on the wb screen.
This is a secret dream of mine.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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User Mode Linux, turns your Linux kernel into a Linux program, the idea is that if you have Linux on Linux you develop and improve the Linux kernel whit out rebooting, there are maybe some other areas where this can be nice to do, butt I have not found any usage for it.

I know perfectly well what UML is, clearly more so than you since you don't seem to know how it might be useful.

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It’s possible to adapt a Linux kernel to run on different system like AmigaOS, and live of the Amiga drivers, sub systems, butt I think its lots of work to get it working.

I haven't looked at the UML source code, but I would contend that it would difficult to get it to work on AmigaOS and when you did the performance would suck. For instance, Linux PPC executables are not position-independent - they load at a fixed address. This requires per-process address spaces to work, and we don't have that.

Cheers,
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A bit of an offtopic question here: Is there something like xmanager/ssh with xforwarding clients for OS4? This is a much faster way to use linux remotely than programs like vnc. On a 100mbit lan, it feels nearly as fast as sitting at the computer itself, unless you are doing something with heavy graphic updates like a 3d game, fullvideo movie or similar.

This could be a great way to surf the internet, since you can easily use good browsers like firefox under remote xserver.

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@Tomas

Sorry to say, but this works already. Not with Linux, though (well, it does thru VNC). But the RDesktop for OS4 works perfectly with Windows(XP). You can run Mozilla on windows seemlessly (e.g. thru MenuX) and run RDesktop in a window on the Workbench. Voila. You have a Mozilla window on your workbench.

This is dam fast! You have clipboard support and Wheelmouse. Just great.

And, well, GIMP, too. If you run samba on the Amiga, you simply load and save directly to your Amiga drives.

Well, doesn't help if you want to do Linux dev... though :)

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But the RDesktop for OS4 works perfectly with Windows(XP). You can run Mozilla on windows seemlessly (e.g. thru MenuX) and run RDesktop in a window on the Workbench. Voila. You have a Mozilla window on your workbench.

So this works actually nearly as fast as using mozilla on the winxp machine? Wont it lag completly when you for example scroll a page and such? Cause that is what i dislike with remote programs like vnc and similar.

@Tomas

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So this works actually nearly as fast as using mozilla on the winxp machine? Wont it lag completly when you for example scroll a page and such? Cause that is what i dislike with remote programs like vnc and similar.

Scrolling works fine. I use the remote desktop at work from my notebook (can't bypass my firewall thru Platform builder). And it's the same speed. Really, no difference.
So it seems, RDesktop does not just transfer rectangles but draws images (? just a guess, honestly I have no idea). But, yes, scrolling in Mozilla with the Mousewheel works fine. Even dragging windows with contents works.

Well, IBrowse local is faster. But then, I have no stylesheets. And some trouble with https sites.

I gotta try Gimp with my Wacom tablett - thru RDesktop. Would like to know, if it supports pressure sensitive pens, yet (currently runs in Mouse mode only, I believe).

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BTW: What I forgot to mention. I have now a dragable screen for Windows :)

I made a video. Anyone want's to host that ? PM me please.

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@hnl_dk
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I am running Linux, but I would like to be able to run both at once... and this on the same computer

Amiga has had Linux emulation for years. It called ixemul.library and the Applications are called Geek Gadgets. It is currently a 68k library but is open-source and could probably be made OS4 native. I have it installed on OS4 but only use it for compiling 68k binaries.

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@Xenic

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Amiga has had Linux emulation for years. It called ixemul.library

ixemul.library is a compatibility layer that lets you build and run a lot of Unix applications on AmigaOS. It doesn't let you run Linux binaries or even emulate Linux system calls, so how is it a Linux emulation?

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I think source-level code conversion support is acceptible for most applications since most Linux code is already open-source anyway.

@Samurai_Crow

We just run into problems with complex programs having a lot of component dependencies, such as Mozilla, Gimp, OpenOffice, etc.

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@Xenic Quote: Amiga has had Linux emulation for years. It called ixemul.library ixemul.library is a compatibility layer that lets you build and run a lot of Unix applications on AmigaOS. It doesn't let you run Linux binaries or even emulate Linux system calls, so how is it a Linux emulation?

Especially since ixemul.library includes (parts of) a BSD kernel, not the Linux one

And it doesn't and can't solve the main problem: No seperate address space -> no fork(). It has a half-way working fork() replacement (ix_vfork(), ix_vfork_setup_child(), ix_vfork_resume()), it has vfork(), POSIX signals, etc. and you can get a lof of POSIX software running with it without porting it to AmigaOS, but it doesn't work for everything, not even after adding workarounds for the ixemul limits.

@Toaks

LOL, I meant it to run the other way around so it was now, MacOnAmiga that way you could run OS4 and Mac OSX and Linux on the same desktop.

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @evilrich User Mode Linux, turns your Linux kernel into a Linux program, the idea is that if you have Linux on Linux you develop and improve the Linux kernel whit out rebooting, there are maybe some other areas where this can be nice to do, butt I have not found any usage for it. It’s possible to adapt a Linux kernel to run on different system like AmigaOS, and live of the Amiga drivers, sub systems, butt I think its lots of work to get it working.

UML is not yet running on any other system than linux. It was tried to port it to cygwin,
where some guy wrote a system call interceptor and there are ways to run some
linux binaries on cygwin, but not everything.

System calls issued by processes running on top of the hosted UML kernel are
intercepted and redirected to the UML kernel by some sort of ptrace daemon.
But there are some tricky ones, like the well known fork or mmap. You have to
make sure they work in your linux on ... system.

I see three ways to do this on Amiga like systems:
- use an emulator like qemu
- go the colinux way

or

For fork and friends you will need to provide mmu like functions in your system.
Maybe on OS4 it's possible to access the mmu from any program, directly or
via OS calls?

ciao

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