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kolla 
Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
Posted on 22-Sep-2025 15:39:58
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buy graphics card.


Better yet - buy pistorm and a rpi and get graphics card for free!

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
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saimo wrote:
Alright, time for a new demo. Also this one shows the AGA chipset combining 3 full screen 8-bit layers (or playfields, if you prefer) using various 8-bit alpha values.
It isn't available for download yet as I have to finish to write some more technical details.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh34biwfc0w

LAYERS

Common:
* 320x256 dots
* PTDQ system
* RGBWa color model

Background:
* maximum 256 colors
* horizontal scrolling

Middleground:
* maximum 256 colors
* colors use 8-bit alpha values for the fade-in and cross-fading effects
* vertical scrolling

Foreground:
* maximum 81 non-transparent colors
* triple buffer

NOTES

* All the layers reside in CHIP RAM.
* If the foreground did not use 100% transparent dots, its maximum number of colors would have been 256.
* The horizontal scrolling requires the background layer to be at least twice as wide as the screen plus 32 dots (i.e. 16 bytes, which in all cause a waste of 16*256 = 4096 bytes of CHIP RAM). Making the layer additional D dots wider (where D is dividable by 64) would waste further D/4 bytes per line of CHIP RAM.
* The background layer can be made to scroll also vertically without problems.
* The Thalion logo is scaled in real time on a chunky raster which gets written to the foreground layer by means of the PTDQ C2P conversion routine PTDQ_DoC2P_R().
* The 24-bit palettes for the fade-in and cross-fading effects are pre-calculated at startup; the effects are obtained by writing each frame a whole palette to the COLORxx registers with the CPU during the vertical blanking.
* The music is a tracker module played by means of P6112.
* On a stock Amiga 1200, the demo runs at 50 fps.
* YouTube's encoding degraded the quality.


in service to Saimo's splendid achievement,
idiotically buried by yet another couple ppcretard1's trash posts.

/m!

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
Posted on 22-Sep-2025 17:12:39
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micro mical take your pills
stop trolling

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
Posted on 22-Sep-2025 17:13:04
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stop trolling start working on zune

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
Posted on 22-Sep-2025 17:15:35
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this is boring.
Commodore bankrupt because AGA has not chunky pixels
so there was no DOOM for Amiga in 1993
rest is history

sajmo stop thic crap
buy graphics card
or switch to OCS if you wish

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
Posted on 22-Sep-2025 17:51:35
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@kolla

And not just RTG graphics capability, but fast 'HD' via the onboard SD Slot (no need for expensive FastATA or the like adaptors), Wifi & wired Network (with pi4B) without (again) expensive adaptors and soonish (hopefully) 16Bit audio via AHI and USB support, all for a low low cost and still allowing the onboard chipset to do its thing !

piStorm & EMU68 are a fantastic buyin for both A500/A500+, A2000, A600 and A1200 users offering a lot they could want nowadays

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
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this is boring.

No it isn’t!

Quote:

Commodore bankrupt because AGA has not chunky pixels
so there was no DOOM for Amiga in 1993
rest is history

sajmo stop thic crap
buy graphics card
or switch to OCS if you wish


With pistorm in my A1000 I have played through both Doom and Doom2 on OCS!

Last edited by kolla on 23-Sep-2025 at 09:29 AM.

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
Posted on 22-Sep-2025 22:59:41
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@ppcamiga1

Are you really triggered that other people are enjoying their hobbies in the way they choose, or just feigning it in some attempt at the worlds weirdest trolling effort ?

Regardless I cant decide if that's a larger part hilarious or pathetic.

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
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stop trolling start working on zune

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
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@kolla

use uae and
stop trolling and start working on zune

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
Posted on 23-Sep-2025 9:30:49
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use uae


Buy me a PC!

Quote:

stop trolling and start working on zune


Zune works.

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
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@kolla

stop trolling start working on zune

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
Posted on 24-Sep-2025 13:07:16
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@saimo

WoW Simone please this needs to be entered into the demo scene comps ASAP

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
Posted on 24-Sep-2025 13:50:33
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Please stop yourself, this is just embarrassing.

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
Posted on 24-Sep-2025 14:29:17
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What you don’t seem to understand is that ppcamiga1 isn’t criticizing either Saimo’s or Michal Schulz’s work. He actually as any sane person would, like those very much. He’s simply keeps posting this kind of so new users who haven’t seen these threads can discover them, keeping them from fading into obscurity.

You all should look beyond the forest... xD

Last edited by pixie on 24-Sep-2025 at 02:35 PM.

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
Posted on 24-Sep-2025 19:03:47
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@klx300r

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WoW Simone please this needs to be entered into the demo scene comps ASAP

It's already released, so it can't participate to any compo. Plus, it's basically just an effect, not a whole demo. But thanks for considering that good!

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
Posted on 24-Sep-2025 19:08:46
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I've been provided with more C2P benchmark results. Here is the updated chart:

        |         | C2P conversions  | C2P conversion
machine | routine | per second | time (frames)
--------+---------+------------------+---------------
A1200 | PTDQ | 12.670 (+2.493) | 3.946 (-0.966)
| K030 | 10.177 | 4.912
--------+---------+------------------+---------------
A1200FR | PTDQ | 13.944 (+2.940) | 3.585 (-0.958)
| K030 | 11.004 | 4.543
--------+---------+------------------+---------------
A1200B3 | PTDQ | 50.098 (+13.425) | 0.998 (-0.365)
| K030 | 36.673 | 1.363
--------+---------+------------------+---------------
A1200B6 | PTDQ | 60.546 (+8.070) | 0.825 (-0.127)
| K040 | 52.476 | 0.952
--------+---------+------------------+---------------
A1200PS | PTDQ | 86.340 (+12.494) | 0.579 (-0.098)
| K040 | 73.846 | 0.677
--------+---------+------------------+---------------
A1200TF | PTDQ | 67.689 (+4.699) | 0.738 (-0.055)
| K040 | 62.990 | 0.793
--------+---------+------------------+---------------
A4000CS | PTDQ | 72.690 (+7.614) | 0.687 (-0.081)
| K040 | 65.076 | 0.768
--------+---------+------------------+---------------
ACD32TB | PTDQ | 71.284 (+19.758) | 0.701 (-0.269)
| K030 | 51.526 | 0.970

A1200: Amiga 1200
A1200FR: Amiga 1200, FAST RAM
A1200B3: Amiga 1200, Blizzard 1230 IV, 68030 @ 50 MHz, 60 ns RAM
A1200B6: Amiga 1200, Blizzard 1260, 68060 @ 50 MHz
A1200PS: Amiga 1200, PiStorm32-lite, Raspberry Pi CM4, firmware v1.04
A1200TF: Amiga 1200, TerribleFire TF1260, 68060 @ 50 MHz, firmware 68090
A4000CS: Amiga 4000, NTSC PAL-jumpered, CyberStorm MK III, 68060 @ 50 MHz
ACD32TB: Amiga CD32, The Beast, 68030 @ 70 MHz

PTDQ = PTDQ_DoC2P()
K030/K040 = Kalms c2p1x1_8_c5_030_2() / c2p1x1_8_c5_040()

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
Posted on 25-Sep-2025 0:49:05
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@saimo

Yes I know its just a short skit but I also know you're first 'full' demo got 1st place

Last edited by klx300r on 25-Sep-2025 at 12:50 AM.
Last edited by klx300r on 25-Sep-2025 at 12:50 AM.

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
Posted on 26-Sep-2025 3:24:08
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@saimo

stop this crap
it will be always too slow
buy graphcis card or forget of c2p and switch to OCS

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Re: PTDQ - faster C2P
Posted on 26-Sep-2025 3:44:25
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PADDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited by MEGA_RJ_MICAL on 26-Sep-2025 at 04:40 AM.

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