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It is a good thing you enjoy research, because AmigaDocuments has just made a major update to their website. New documents added. Big update on recent history. Here Valuations added, etc. You'll have to poke around to find all that is new. There is other news coming very soon. Stay tuned.

The "Arcadia alliance" is a surprise. The valuations make the low millions USD for the recent purchase of the Commodore trademarks sound reasonable. I wonder if the Amiga IP is more valuable now where the Commodore IP may have been more valuable, say 10 years ago. The Commodore IP value dies with the generations that knew it much like the Amiga IP value will, unless new competitive hardware that appeals to the younger generations is produced. The younger generations will remember and have nostalgia for the RPi and know nothing about Commodore and the Amiga on the current path.

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All assets, with the exclusion of the former Tulip marks ("C=" and "Commodore"), appear to be in control of the rumored "Arcadia alliance". Here's a rough valuation estimate, assuming Arcadia controls the non-Tulip trademarks, the main copyrights, and the relevant domains: Arcadia Asset Estimated 2025 Value Copyrights (Amiga + 8-bit Commodore assets) $7M–$10M (due to licensing, emulation, and retro gaming potential) Trademarks (Amiga, etc.) $1M–$2M (limited but renewable) Domain names (amiga.com, commodore.com) $1M–$6M combined Goodwill / Brand recognition $1M+ (dependent on business strategy and community engagement) Total Estimated Value ~$10M–$19M USD Former Tulip Asset Estimated 2025 Value Trademarks ("Commodore" and "C=") $1M–$2M (limited monetization potential without IP bundle; less if marks are not maintained or contested)

This Arcadia alliance, besides Amiga Corporation IP, is only listed as owning the commodore.com website. The whois for commodore.com shows the following.

https://www.godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?itc=dlp_domain_whois&domain=commodore.com Quote:

Registrant Contact Name Registration Private Organization Domains By Proxy, LLC

The commodore.com domain name currently has no content. If the domain name was registered in bad faith, possibly including cybersquatting, and is similar to a trademark, the trademark owner may be able to obtain it from the owner.

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The Uniform Domain-Name Dispute-Resolution Policy (UDRP) is a set of rules established by ICANN for resolving disputes over domain name registrations. It provides a streamlined process for trademark owners to challenge domain names that they believe infringe on their rights, often involving cybersquatting or typosquatting. Key aspects of the UDRP: Purpose: The UDRP aims to quickly and efficiently resolve disputes related to the abusive registration and use of domain names, particularly those that are identical or confusingly similar to trademarks. Applicability: The UDRP applies to a wide range of generic top-level domains (gTLDs) such as .com, .net, and .org, as well as certain country code top-level domains (ccTLDs) that have adopted the policy, according to ICANN. Requirements for Complaint: A trademark owner (complainant) filing a UDRP complaint must demonstrate three things: 1. The domain name is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark in which the complainant has rights, says a New York trademark lawyer. 2. The domain name registrant (respondent) has no legitimate rights or interests in the domain name. 3. The domain name was registered and is being used in bad faith. Dispute Resolution Process: The UDRP process involves submitting a complaint to an approved dispute resolution service provider (like WIPO). The respondent then has an opportunity to respond. A panel of experts reviews the case and makes a decision, which can include transferring the domain name to the complainant. Court Action: While the UDRP provides a framework for resolving disputes, it does not prevent either party from pursuing legal action in a court of law, according to ICANN.

The new Commodore business which owns the "Commodore" trademark may be able to take the commodore.com domain name in some cases. Amiga Corporation may be able to take domain names of competitors using the "Amiga" trademark like AmigaKit.com, AmigaStore.com, AmigaShop.com, AmigaOS.com, etc. Negotiating or arbitration would be preferable for setltement but some people in Amiga Neverland prefer lawsuits. Perhaps it would be wise to add some content to show the website is in Commodore related commercial use like links to some "Arcadia alliance" websites.

https://amiga.com/
https://www.amigaforever.com
https://www.c64forever.com

The amiga.com website could have links and e-mail contact info at least too. It may be worthwhile to ask an attorney for legal advice about it.

The combined IP of the Amiga alliance and the new Commodore business would be impressive and daunting to Commodore/Amiga IP challengers. There is the problem that the new Commodore business is shady in some ways which usually only gets worse. Maybe they will realize they need to become more professional than the original Commodore business in order to correct history and possibly join the Arcadia alliance, perhaps as the Commodore alliance.

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More propaganda using old Commodore slogans. The Commodore 64x with a 20% Commodore logo tax or even a 6.4% logo tax is unlikely to appeal to price sensitive younger generations. This product clearly targets the 50+ age group baby boomers and X gen who have plenty of money and get emotional over Commodore branding and eye candy.

It's unlikely the new Commodore will remake CSG/MOS, but it could go fabless custom ASIC + system integration via Jeri Ellsworth.

A large chunk of the old Commodore(CBM)'s operations is the system engineer group's system integration work from in-house CSG/MOS and 3rd party ICs.


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The "Commodore 64x Ultimate" became "Commodore 64 Ultimate" in another bait and switch substitution. The "Ultimate" specs are barely low end gaming PC specs even though the "Commodore 64 was once the gaming king". Even the kickstarter price is grossly overpriced which is why the Commodore brand is so important.

FYI, Steam Deck's mobile iGPU (8 CU RDNA 2) with UMA 16 GB RAM would be a low-end mainstream gaming PC.

C64X's old Coffee Lake (Intel 9th gen) + GTX 1650 4GB VRAM hardware is below Framework 13 with AMD Strix Point. A 4 GB VRAM equipped GTX 1650 would struggle with current-gen PC games from PS5 era. AMD Strix Point's IGP reserved video memory can exceed 8 GB e.g. 16 GB allocated, and it's not limited by PCIe 3.0 16 lane's 16 GB/s write performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LhS0_ra9c4
Radeon RX 9060 XT PCI Express 3.0, 4.0 & 5.0 Comparison and 8GB vs 16GB VRAM.

I have single fan GTX 1660 Super 6GB VRAM (inside a test PC with Ryzen 9 7900X in place of RTX 3070 Ti 8GB VRAM) vs AMD Ryzen AI 9 370 APU with 16GB reserved video memory, The First Descendant game (PS5 era, Unreal Engine 5) runs better on mobile Strix Point 890M IGP. GTX 1660 Super's overspill on PCIe 3.0 16 lanes (16 GB/s read from system RAM) is not good.

Framework 13 mainboards can be made standalone inside an external case e.g. https://www.coolermaster.com/en-global/products/framework/
https://hackaday.com/2022/04/21/modular-laptop-maker-provides-mainboard-documentation-for-non-laptop-projects/
Standard USB-C 65 or 100 watts external PSUs can be used.

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/processors/amd-reportedly-plots-late-2025-launch-for-desktop-version-of-the-nifty-little-strix-point-apu-we-like-so-much-in-laptops-and-handhelds/
Strix Point APU for AM5 socket late 2025 release.

Newer mini-ITX has M2 slots on both sides of the board. Mini-ITX has an assumption of a 75-watt budget just for the PEG slot.

On C64X's slim DVD drive area, it's possible to use a small graphics card like RTX 3050 (being replaced by RTX 5050) with a PCIe ribbon cable with Mini-ITX.

With the Commodore 64's case, the current desktop PC slim components wouldn't be competitive against a semi-custom PS5 / PS5 Pro APU configuration. There are reasons for the large semi-custom APU direction with current-gen game consoles.

https://frame.work/products/desktop-diy-amd-aimax300/configuration/new
Using Mini-ITX form factor with Framework ITX case:
Ryzen AI Max 385 with full-size 8-core Zen 5, 32 CU RDNA 3.5 iGPU and 256-bit LPDDR5x-8000 + iGPU 32 MB cache has US$1099 asking price.

Ryzen AI Max 395 SoC with full-size 16-core Zen 5, 40 CU RDNA 3.5 iGPU and 256-bit LPDDR5x-8000 + iGPU 32 MB cache has US$15999 asking price.

https://frame.work/products/framework-desktop-mainboard-amd-ryzen-ai-max-300-series?v=FRAFMK0002
Framework mini-ITX mainboards only:
Ryzen AI Max 385 mainboard with 32 GB RAM + 32 CU RDNA 3.5 iGPU has US$799 asking price.
Ryzen AI Max 395 mainboard with 64 GB RAM + 40 CU RDNA 3.5 iGPU has US$1299 asking price.
No problems beating PS5's 32 CU RDNA 2ish iGPU.

Digital Foundry has found RX 9060 XT 16GB (RDNA 4 32 CU) to be similar to PS5 Pro's 60 CU RDNA 2(bits of RDNA 3) with RDNA 4 RT.

RDNA 4 and RDNA 3.5 have double texture sample rate per CU improvements vs RDNA 3.0 and RDNA 2.0. A no-brainer to why RX 9060 XT 32 CU solution rivals PS5 Pro's 60 CU GPU solution.

It's possible to use the Ryzen AI Max 385 mini-ITX Framework mainboard with the C64X case.

Intel plans to release its large APU. Thanks to a certain fruit company.

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matthey wrote: There is no doubt that Commodore branding increases sales but I am not implying that it is worth a 20% royalty.

Oh good. Cause I got the impression that you were justifying the several million dollars/euros purchase of the Commodore branding as Peri and Co. would habitually be charging 20% royalties, making it a good investment.

In his video he implied that much more friendly licensing pricing would be the new order of the day, which in my mind conjurs up single digit percentages. The kinds of amounts that could be wholly of partially passed on to the consumer without drastically affecting the sales/profitability of the offering.

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