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Broadcast of Friday Evening Event!

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Broadcast of Friday Evening Event!

The video was painful to watch. I doubt editing can clean it up. Highlights from what I could make out follow.

Tim and Kiki recreate the Andy and Debbie moment as a speaker talks about it. Awards were given for Amazing Amigans, Amiga hardware and Amiga software.

Amazing Amigans
Mike Battilana - his businesses owns most Amiga IP and produce Amiga Forever
Trevor Dickinson - his Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate perpetually try to steal the Amiga IP
Dale Luck - famous for last minute Amiga blitter line draw and trying to save the Amiga from C=

Best Modern Amiga System
A4000T - beats out RPi running AmiBerry and AmigaNOne

No video of the audience to see if there were 40 attendees for the 40th Amiga anniversary. There were at least 8 from the video. How can we tell if this is another Trevor facepalm moment for the Amiga classes while the brown bag over the head Amiga masses stay away from the Amiga? Will Commodore shows draw more people than Amiga shows now since Peri makes faithful affordable hardware for the masses while Trevor makes unfaithful expensive hardware for the classes?

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The streaming did not go well since the streaming rig was stolen at the show! This happened a short time before the streaming was to take place. Fortunately, they managed to get a setup going to be able to stream at all.

Source: The Amigans Discord channel

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The streaming did not go well since the streaming rig was stolen at the show! This happened a short time before the streaming was to take place. Fortunately, they managed to get a setup going to be able to stream at all. Source: The Amigans Discord channel

This explains why Kiki was so worried about her purse. Brazen thieves in the Amiga community are nothing new. They seem to get bolder over time and have no shame.

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There's nothing to indicate that the thief was anyone in the community

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AmigaBill - Amiga 40 VCF West recap:

Twitch Today 2:00 p.m. EDT

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AmigaBill - Amiga 40 VCF West recap: Twitch Today 2:00 p.m. EDT

Long video and too much NG promotion crap at the show which is the reason why so few Amiga users attended. It looked like maybe 150 people for the presentations which Amiga Bill thought was good. Maybe half the people were Amiga/Commodore related developers, Amiga promoters/reporters like Amiga Bill, Sacramento Amiga user group members and family of all the above. It was a show for the Amiga classes while the Amiga masses stayed home. All the crap non faithful Amiga hardware is not an Amiga future but the end as the standard Amiga hardware has been replaced by a NG divided identity problem. Criminals are treated like celebrities beside the Amiga/Commodore developers but the status quo continues with plans for another lost Trevor Amiga decade. It is too bad the NG people spoiled the show for the 40th. The original Amiga developers, Amiga booth recreation and Andy Jenison and Debbie Stockhammer recreations were "neat" but could not overcome that the Amiga is dead and an embarrassment under Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate control. It is as sad as watching the Amiga deathbed vigil video. RIP Amiga. You deserved better which I like better than the "Future We Were Promised". The Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate is certainly not "Honoring the Past, Innovating the Future" but more like the opposite, despite Amiga Bill BS promoting their crap non-Amiga hardware and development.

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No video of the audience to see if there were 40 attendees for the 40th Amiga anniversary.

I have video of the crowd outside the doors and in the audience. Those clips are in my B-roll, which will be edited into the full video of the Friday night event.

But that will have to wait until I come back from Europe,
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@matthey

I think you really should ignore AmigaOS 4 and the newer hardware. Just put a lot of A1000 posters all over your walls and don't even think about NewZealand, England, Wales, the failed Motorola and AIM alliance.

Just pure 68k. In a calm happy dim-lit room, warm colours (or the eye straining blue wich is posh atm) and relax, deep breaths, repeat the mantra.. Amiga, Ammiiga, Aaaammmmiiiga.. deep breath sssssss6 eeeeee8 th breath out.. kkkkkkkk. Picture a C a D an M.. breath-in think at your auro breath- out.. and repeat.

You will feel better. No need to evangelise others, let the others have their beliefs and happy places too. All is going to be good, peaceful. Aaammiga Aaaamiga.
You are going to be well and good.

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Long video and too much NG promotion crap at the show which is the reason why so few Amiga users attended. It looked like maybe 150 people for the presentations which Amiga Bill thought was good. Maybe half the people were Amiga/Commodore related developers, Amiga promoters/reporters like Amiga Bill, Sacramento Amiga user group members and family of all the above. It was a show for the Amiga classes while the Amiga masses stayed home. All the crap non faithful Amiga hardware is not an Amiga future but the end as the standard Amiga hardware has been replaced by a NG divided identity problem. Criminals are treated like celebrities beside the Amiga/Commodore developers but the status quo continues with plans for another lost Trevor Amiga decade. It is too bad the NG people spoiled the show for the 40th. The original Amiga developers, Amiga booth recreation and Andy Jenison and Debbie Stockhammer recreations were "neat" but could not overcome that the Amiga is dead and an embarrassment under Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate control. It is as sad as watching the Amiga deathbed vigil video. RIP Amiga. You deserved better which I like better than the "Future We Were Promised". The Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate is certainly not "Honoring the Past, Innovating the Future" but more like the opposite, despite Amiga Bill BS promoting their crap non-Amiga hardware and development.

Did you get out of your bed grumpy today?

It looked to me like a great show, the amazing recreation of the CES 1984 booth was I thought was brilliant, along with the recreation of the famous painting moment. I wish I got to see it, but decided to save my money for the Germany40.

NG stuff and show off what the latest Amiga are, what the harm in that, yes it maybe true Hyperion is holding up AmigaOS right from Cloanto/Amiga Inc from doing something with them it self’s, which is maybe a bit naughty, and I maybe more annoyed if we I knew what Amiga inc had plan for the platform, apart from maybe more license deal to allow the os on machine like “the A1200�, I don’t know what they have plans for. It?

they may open source it, but I don’t know if they ever could 100% get there is some third party code in the OS I believe.

would they continue to develop AmigaOs3.x or AmigaOs4.x or ever commission / allow Amigaos5, at least Hyperion is still developing the Os a bit at the moment.

Don’t forget in 2001 any company could of perhaps approached Amiga Inc to develop AmigaOS, as it was clear Amiga Inc at the time had no interest in the classic os and wanted to focus on AmigaDE / Amiga anywhere system. Hyperion was the only company to setup and give it ago, now no one could really predict what happened to the PPC market and how it all panned out, but it just the way it’s gone, and ripping people and companies that have poured a lot of money and time into the Amiga and its community just seem mean.

If you don’t like the Ng stuff by Hyperion/a-eon, then don’t worry there strong alternatives you can support, vampire, aros, morphos, unofficial distros like amikit / pimiga, caffineos, pi storm etc etc.

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It is the obvious and gross injustices by the Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate that the majority of the Amiga community ignores that bothers me. It is hostile and criminal perpetrated by people who continue to be treated like celebrities.

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Did you get out of your bed grumpy today?

No. I watched cringe parts of Amiga videos full of propaganda, bait and switch lies and complete BS. Amiga Bill is likely more of a victim but even he should know better about promoting this crap. The PPC A1222+ board does not have Amiga heritage because of B52 song titles on the silkscreen and neither does "Good Stuff" hardware for ARM, optimized ARM libraries and ARM Linux web browser development that passes through to an Amiga window. Most of us can have a modern Windows web browser up while using emulation of the Amiga on x86-64 hardware but it is not Amiga development but rather the end of Amiga development. It would not be so bad if they were open and transparent that it is not Amiga hardware and not Amiga development but they are blocking the Amiga market from more faithful hardware while stealing Amiga IP at the same time. Imagine CommodoreUSA gaining control of the Commodore 64 market and blocking everything but the Commodore 64x. That is what the Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate has tried to do for the last Trevor Amiga lost decade and is planned for the next Trevor Amiga lost decade. Christian "Peri" Simpson to his credit realized unfaithful retro hardware is very niche and dead end despite CommodoreUSA team members and business plans, pivoting in a matter of days to the C64u, while the Amiga market has been suppressed by these criminals with a bait and switch dead business models for over a decade. These guys say they love the Amiga while they replace everything about the Amiga for convenience. Fortunately, most retro Commodore people care more about the hardware than the brand and rejected their crap non-Amiga hardware but they do not get the message after 10 years what Peri understood in more like 10 days.

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It looked to me like a great show, the amazing recreation of the CES 1984 booth was I thought was brilliant, along with the recreation of the famous painting moment. I wish I got to see it, but decided to save my money for the Germany40. NG stuff and show off what the latest Amiga are, what the harm in that, yes it maybe true Hyperion is holding up AmigaOS right from Cloanto/Amiga Inc from doing something with them it self’s, which is maybe a bit naughty, and I maybe more annoyed if we I knew what Amiga inc had plan for the platform, apart from maybe more license deal to allow the os on machine like “the A1200�, I don’t know what they have plans for. It?

Open Amiga IP thievery causes uncertainty which kills investment and the lawsuits drain capital. The Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate know this and are full on attacking Amiga Corporation, Cloanto and the Amiga Parties. This is not fair market competition but major license violations and criminal shenanigans that should result in hundreds of thousands of Euros in judgement against Hyperion and people going to jail. Most likely, Trevor will just let Hyperion go bankrupt and walk away though after the court decisions despite funding all the attacks on the Amiga IP. We will see if Trevor is still able to show up as a celebrity at Amiga shows without being ostracized.

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they may open source it, but I don’t know if they ever could 100% get there is some third party code in the OS I believe. would they continue to develop AmigaOs3.x or AmigaOs4.x or ever commission / allow Amigaos5, at least Hyperion is still developing the Os a bit at the moment.

Continued 68k AmigaOS development was desired and agreed to by Ben and Mike before Ben backed out. Ben weaponizing the 68k AmigaOS against Mike by not paying developers and using the high profit margin profits for lawsuits. Hyperion went from a -44,197€ loss in 2017 to a 150,561€ gain in 2018 which brought them from deaths door to a predatory IP attack and litigation business again. Hyperion used the 68k Amiga IP they did not own or license to finance their litigation war to steal all of the Amiga IP. Trevor did not complain as he did not have to finance the war to steal the Amiga IP for awhile.

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Don’t forget in 2001 any company could of perhaps approached Amiga Inc to develop AmigaOS, as it was clear Amiga Inc at the time had no interest in the classic os and wanted to focus on AmigaDE / Amiga anywhere system. Hyperion was the only company to setup and give it ago, now no one could really predict what happened to the PPC market and how it all panned out, but it just the way it’s gone, and ripping people and companies that have poured a lot of money and time into the Amiga and its community just seem mean.

Amiga Inc was interested in AmigaOS development but was focused on AmigaOS 5/AmigaDE/Amiga Anywhere, which is not AmigaOS development despite the confusing bait and switch AmigaOS 5 name. Amiga Inc hoped AmigaOS 4 development would turn into a revenue stream for them after the source was delivered to them. They would pay Hyperion royalties in addition to the license fee to develop AmigaOS 4 according to a Bill McEwen e-mail exchange with Olaf Barthel.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110821193852/http://merlancia.us/amiga-hyperion/35-5decmcewenexhibit5show_case_doc.pdf
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Hyperion contacted us and presented a timeline that would create new hardware and a new OS solution. In this contract, we were to pay them 25,000.00 plus royalties once the product ships. We were given a schedule which showed that the product that met our product requirements should ship within 9 months, and that out the absolute worst it would ship in 12 months. ... In May of 2002 when we paid Hyperion Ben executed an additional contract that turned over all the AmigaOS 4 source code to us, and returned the product and project back into Amiga's hands. We have never seen the source code and Hyperion decided that they were going to take OS 4 make it their own, and cut Amiga out of the equation. I have been working with Evert at Hyperion and am now in direct contact with the Frieden brothers and I hope to get everything resolved. We have some hardware partners as well as some other entities who are very interested in what we are planning, and there is great interest in OS 4, and more importantly with OS 5, which has been under development for about 2 years. The bottom line is that we are going to get you (Olaf Barthel) paid, and that we are going to get OS 4 back in our hands, and that we are going to be shipping OS 5. We have new Amiga hardware partners, and new hardware is forthcoming. There is not going to be anything stated publicly until these items are resolved and in place.

Does this sound like "Amiga Inc at the time had no interest in the classic os"? Perhaps they had strong interest in AmigaOS 4 but were coerced into signing the 2009 settlement agreement under financial distress after the death of Pentti Kouri, funded by Trevor?

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If you don’t like the Ng stuff by Hyperion/a-eon, then don’t worry there strong alternatives you can support, vampire, aros, morphos, unofficial distros like amikit / pimiga, caffineos, pi storm etc etc.

Your list is mostly weak non competitive and/or non faithful Amiga alternatives. RGL is the strongest competitor because of their licensing, marketing and distribution expertise (their licensing due diligence found the Amiga IP owner and it is not Hyperion). THEA500 Mini was crap hardware with no AmigaOS, non functional keyboard and minimal expandability yet likely sold at least 100,000 units. THEA1200 Maxi with functional keyboard, AmigaOS and potentially using a FPGA is a real threat to the Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate trying to steal the Amiga IP as it funds the Amiga IP owner against their attempt to weaken and destroy the Amiga IP owner. Unlike Hyperion stealing Amiga IP for the 68k AmigaOS, Amiga Corporation can provide the 68k retro Amiga IP for the A1200 Maxi yet the Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate is coercing RGL partners. Coercion, collusion, Amiga IP theft, sound familiar? Can you see how treating criminals like celebrities and continuing to promote their propaganda, lies and products degrades and divides the Amiga community as a whole? Am I the only one with critical thinking skills and a mental capacity able to see these people for what they are?

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THEA1200 Maxi with functional keyboard, AmigaOS and potentially using a FPGA is a real threat to the Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate

Uhm, no - these aren't even competing products, so I do not see what that fuzz is about. If anything, a "THEA1200 maxi" can _complement_ the A1200NG, as it brings exactly what A1200NG lacks - a case and a keyboard. I don't see THEA1200 maxi being an FPGA system, that would be way too much hassle for extremely little gain in the market they are targeting.

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Your list is mostly weak non competitive and/or non faithful Amiga alternatives.

So in fantasy mode, what is your idea for a future Amiga product?

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RGL is the strongest competitor because of their licensing, marketing and distribution expertise (their licensing due diligence found the Amiga IP owner and it is not Hyperion)

And where are they at this Amiga40? Did they sponsor the show?

Plus also they are not the best at handling ip, horace story is pretty silly, Paul Andrew’s (one of the co-founders of rgl caused this mess) https://boingboing.net/2019/11/18/horace-goes-copyright-striking.html
Plus vega+ mess, he was involved with a bit too.

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AmigaOS and potentially using a FPGA is a real threat to the Hyperion A-EonKit

I be surprised if it’s Fpga, it much more likely to be basically the A500 mini hardware with real keyboard and maybe AmigaOS and a few serious apps this time. They may actually remember Amiga was a home computer this time, not just a game console.

This is likely to compete against the A1200NG, which I think is a cool product, I think it would be more successful if a full case and keyboard version came out and the hardware was a bit more powerful. Should it be called the A1200NG, again maybe it’s a bit naughty by Amigakit. But at least they are also delivering updates to there products, I think already they have done more updates and more support to its A600GS & A1200NG products than RGL did for A500 mini.

I gotten to the point of just wishing the Amiga ip and all it stuff was given to community/open source/trademark free, yes that would risk people calling a off the self pc laptop a “ world first Amiga laptop� but I like to think the community can make up its mind on what is and isn’t Amiga.

For some emulation is not Amiga, that fine
For some PPC Amiga is not an Amiga, that fine
Only 100% original hardware is real Amiga, that fine.

Trevor’s speech on What An Amiga in 2024 https://youtu.be/ZyjhrYwDnGk
He did a pretty good job at covering all options and basically saying what ever anyone thinks is Amiga can be an Amiga, go out and enjoy it and as long as your part of this crazy community your an Amigan.

I just want the Amiga platform to be continued to be developed and push forward, I’m glad where nearly in a world where who own the ip isn’t stopping that.

Plus I look around at who is trying to push the platform forward the most, who making products for Amiga users, it usually people who been part of the community for years.

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Uhm, no - these aren't even competing products, so I do not see what that fuzz is about. If anything, a "THEA1200 maxi" can _complement_ the A1200NG, as it brings exactly what A1200NG lacks - a case and a keyboard. I don't see THEA1200 maxi being an FPGA system, that would be way too much hassle for extremely little gain in the market they are targeting.

It is quite possible the RGL A1200 Maxi FPGA rumor is wrong. Indeed, cheap crap hardware and emulation is easier but RGL has tried to improve hardware compatibility and behavior. They recognize the increased latency of emulation, USB and HDMI in some cases and the increased system jitter. They looked into having Jeri Ellsworth create an Amiga ASIC which is the next step after FPGA. They may need to move up to at least FPGA to remain competitive. The cheap retro emulation market is pretty well saturated not only by Minis but by RPi hardware that is cheaper than Minis and increases value with universal retro emulation. Consider the new Atari VCS and 2600 which is based on emulation yet the brand is not enough to sell the hardware. The new Commodore was smart enough to offer a discounted preordered crowd funded FPGA based C64u to keep the originally intended C64x from turning into a disaster for community relations. This was better than a license agreement for a new production run of the RGL THEC64 Maxi, perhaps renamed using the Commodore brand, even though it was well received at the time it was released. I believe RPi is eating everyone's lunch for cheap emulation likely selling millions of units a year primarily used for retro emulation. After embedded use, I expect retro emulation is the 2nd largest market for the RPi while the RPi has minimal game support itself making the hardware vulnerable to hardware that does have large gaming libraries like the 68k.

The FPGA market is not so easy either. Each FPGA make and model has to have cores created specifically for it so it is not easy to scale up when more resources are required or scale down to reduce costs. The MiSTer FPGA has become a pseudo standard but it is rather large and expensive similar to the V4SA with much of the FPGA space used for 68k CPU simulation instead of chipset simulation. SuperH and MIPS cores are possible too for Saturn, Dreamcast and PS1 but even this hardware is getting difficult for a MiSTer sized FPGA and early fixed point 3D does not look as good as floating point 3D on the 68k Amiga and Mac with higher performance 68k CPUs. MiSTer and Analogue have the quality high end FPGA market but product prices are too high for economies of scale much like the Commodore C64u. The C64u even has specific retro I/O for the C64 in addition to modern I/O support which is becoming more popular with MiSTer hardware as well using retro system specific I/O boards and cases rather than the stack of boards for full universal retro support which reduces the cost. The next step would be a hybrid retro SoC ASIC with FPGA support which could be used as universal retro system hardware. This would reduce the cost but has higher up front costs and a longer pay back time so it would be required for more than one and done products. Nobody has invested in a sustainable retro market using ASICs since Jeri's C64DTV, a one women show and she nearly made a 68000 Amiga ASIC too. A sustainable retro market ASIC could actually be made competitive and compete with the RPi too. The production cost of a modernized 68060 SoC ASIC is not much more than the 68000 Amiga SoC ASIC Jeri was designing circa 2005, about 20 years ago. RGL checked with Jeri about producing an Amiga SoC ASIC. To be competitive today, it would need more than a 68000 and ECS and at least a 68EC020 with AGA would be required. This would be relatively easy and allow to reduce the cost but FPGAs and emulation can already reach this performance level. Add 68060 cores though and it leaves FPGAs and emulation in the dust and becomes competition for the RPi.

The Amiga on a Chip Project - Too bad it was canceled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uaDzF99a80

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So in fantasy mode, what is your idea for a future Amiga product?

It is Trevor that is in full fantasy mode. He funds the production of non competitive niche non Amiga commodity desktop hardware and stealing of the Amiga IP while his colluding proxies control the Amiga market blocking more competitive and faithful 68k Amiga hardware. I suggest buying/licensing the proper IP and producing competitive and faithful hardware targeting the retro and RPi markets using ASIC and FPGA technology. Producing non competitive ancient commodity hardware was a waste of money and has made the Amiga irrelevant and turned the Amiga into a joke that the Amiga masses ignore yet Trevor has persisted in his fantasy world for a Trevor lost Amiga decade and he is aiming for a 2nd Trevor lost Amiga decade still using the now more outdated PPC hardware. Am I the one in fantasy mode when the X5000 is outperformed by a RPi 500 system with a $90 USD price?

The following post sums up how much of a joke the AmigaNOne is.

A-EON: How to NOT revive the AMIGA brand
https://www.amigalove.com/viewtopic.php?t=461 Quote:

However some other companies decided to go a step further and actually release full PC systems under the AMIGA brand name. One such company is A-EON. A-EON, headquartered in Cardiff, United Kingdom, have been bringing systems to the market such as the AmigaONE X1000 and X5000 as alternatives to the standard Intel and AMD-based systems these days. While I absolutely have to give them credit for being bold, independent and doing something totally different (much like Commodore in its glory days), time has simply passed them by and their systems are completely outdated and, most importantly, incredibly overpriced. Let’s take a look at their newest model, the AmigaONE X5000. First off, the specs. The X5000 system, much like the X1000, uses a PowerPC chip as its CPU, clocked at 2GHz and utilizing two cores. Furthermore it’s using 4GB DDR3 RAM at 1600MHz by Kingston, features on-board LAN, a 240 GB SSD, DVD Writer, SoundBlaster Live sound card and, hold on to your seats, a RadeonHD R7 250 with 1 GB of DDR5 memory! Now apart from from maybe the SSD (240 GB is not too shabby!) and the 4GB memory, this machine is having the lowest specs I’ve seen so far in 2017. Yeah I get it, its mainboard is also custom-made by A-EON, still, it’s the specs that count, and those are lower than low. Especially when you consider that this thing costs; again hold on to your seats: $1,499.50. Yes. $1,500 for an incredibly outdated computer. And that price is just for the board, no case included. If you want it in a tower case (made by Fractal Design), you gotta pay $1,740.00 For that price, you can get a high-end gaming PC featuring the latest i7/i9 or Ryzen processors, a sh*t-ton of memory and probably even an Nvidia 1070 for 4K resolutions. This, A-EON, is NOT how to revive the AMIGA brand. This how you make a fool of yourself. And while I understand you want to be different and do your own thing, at that price only a very small percentage of computer buyers will be interested in your machines. But it seems there are those who do have way too much money to throw away… Good for you! While there are many others who try to bring the brand back with ridiculously priced hardware (I’m looking at you, Individual Computers), I think the AmigaONE takes the cake.

It was written in 2017 though and A-Eon is still pushing the same now 7 years more outdated commodity hardware at even higher prices. Here is your fantasy land! Trevor is an embarrassment to the Amiga and it would be fine if he wasted his own money on his fantasy but there is strong evidence that he has funded stealing of the Amiga IP and collusion to block Amiga market competition so he can sell his fantasy trash. He is treated like a celebrity at Amiga shows when he should be treated like a mentally ill criminal.

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And where are they at this Amiga40? Did they sponsor the show?

RGL probably stays away from Amiga shows because of Amiga community accepted scammers in control who coerce them. These scammers may buy support by sponsoring the show with their ill obtained money from stolen Amiga IP. Reject the Amiga scammers, their businesses and their blood money to make room for legitimate Amiga businesses and products!

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Plus also they are not the best at handling ip, horace story is pretty silly, Paul Andrew’s (one of the co-founders of rgl caused this mess) https://boingboing.net/2019/11/18/horace-goes-copyright-striking.html Plus vega+ mess, he was involved with a bit too.

I have heard other negative and sketchy things about Paul Andrews. He handled the communication and statements about the new Commodore poorly in my opinion. He seems to be a PR and communication liability. In contrast, everything I have heard about Darren Melbourne is positive. Not only is he very experienced with industry connections for game licensing and production but he is co-creator of the C64DTV. Someone else that understands the value of an ASIC and the competitiveness it can bring, even for the toy market.

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I be surprised if it’s Fpga, it much more likely to be basically the A500 mini hardware with real keyboard and maybe AmigaOS and a few serious apps this time. They may actually remember Amiga was a home computer this time, not just a game console.

I do not believe the RGL A1200 Maxi would sell well using emulation unless they are able to get the price down close to THEA500 Mini, which is unlikely. They need more competitive hardware.

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This is likely to compete against the A1200NG, which I think is a cool product, I think it would be more successful if a full case and keyboard version came out and the hardware was a bit more powerful. Should it be called the A1200NG, again maybe it’s a bit naughty by Amigakit. But at least they are also delivering updates to there products, I think already they have done more updates and more support to its A600GS & A1200NG products than RGL did for A500 mini.

I expect using "A1200NG" is legal in some markets while the use of "AmigaKit", "Amiga Technologies", amigakit.com, amigastore.com and amigashop.com are more likely to be violations of the "Amiga" trademark in nations that respect trademarks internationally, which is most.

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I gotten to the point of just wishing the Amiga ip and all it stuff was given to community/open source/trademark free, yes that would risk people calling a off the self pc laptop a “ world first Amiga laptop� but I like to think the community can make up its mind on what is and isn’t Amiga.

The Commodore community just had a similar discussion after the guys behind the C64x obtained the Commodore trademark. To his credit, Christian "Peri" Simpson backed away from forcing the C64x on the community which likely would have caused a mass exodus like the Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate caused in the Amiga market and still negatively affects Amiga show turnout today. They are even more embarrassing today as the AmigaNOne hardware has become more antiquated, their scams have become bolder and evidence of past scams have come to light.

amigang Quote:

For some emulation is not Amiga, that fine For some PPC Amiga is not an Amiga, that fine Only 100% original hardware is real Amiga, that fine. Trevor’s speech on What An Amiga in 2024 https://youtu.be/ZyjhrYwDnGk He did a pretty good job at covering all options and basically saying what ever anyone thinks is Amiga can be an Amiga, go out and enjoy it and as long as your part of this crazy community your an Amigan.

I watched Trevor's old "What is an Amiga" speech previously. Did he give a new one for 2025 at the VCF 40th show?

There are still many show videos not available and I am far more interested in videos with the Amiga/Commodore developers. I have seen as many Trevor and Matthew videos as I can stomach already.

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I just want the Amiga platform to be continued to be developed and push forward, I’m glad where nearly in a world where who own the ip isn’t stopping that. Plus I look around at who is trying to push the platform forward the most, who making products for Amiga users, it usually people who been part of the community for years.

Development with too many short cuts and limitations is like applying band aids to the problem. A thousand doctors with good intentions and first aid kits are not as effective as one doctor in a high tech hospital when serious work needs to be done. The 68k Amiga does not need the highest tech hospital but it needs more than a band aid "to push the platform forward".

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@matthey

I hope you don't end up bursting a blood vessel.

@matthey

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matthey wrote: @Amigo1 It is the obvious and gross injustices by the Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate that the majority of the Amiga community ignores that bothers me. It is hostile and criminal perpetrated by people who continue to be treated like celebrities.

I can't manage to make time to read all the court documents, but I really wonder if there is something in them pointing to the "A-EonKit syndicate" (as you call it) to be such hideous villains.

With no direct evidence much of our opinions remain speculative.

To be honest, I probably share your opinion about a certain individual that was at Hyperion. I had an unpleasant feeling about him when I first saw him in 1999.
Regardless of that, we don't know the reasons behind his behaviour and whatever happened.

About Trevor, to me he appears to be an upright person, and that was the feeling I had when I met and talked to him at a couple of shows.
You ofter state that he "finances Ben's shenanigans". Are you really sure about it? Can you provide proof for the courts? It might end all the mess!
Don't forget that he was(?) co-partner or owner of Hyperion (as far as I know), so he might have been unwillingly compelled to finance whatever happened at Hyperion because of his obligations.

I don't see anyone here treating anyone as celebrities. I am however grateful to all the developers who contributed and continue to contribute to AmigaOS 68k and PPC and to the people who made the hardware possible.

I really don't think the A1222 was expensive on purpose, I do however question the choice of the CPU. I read somewhere that "we" always had to workaround slightly incompatible CPU and FPU in the Amiga ecosystem, but I wonder if there really wasn't any other option than diverge even more development time away from the OS just to mitigate the compatibility issue with the FPU.
And as far as I can see, it even wasn't a "one time job" most games and apps have to be optimised to run on well on the A1222.

I diverged.

I don't think it's fair of you to paint everybody as a villain.

Why don't you use your energy to better the situation? Do cool videos like Maijestro or TJ.
If programming is your forte (as you seem to be very knowledgeable) why not contribute with that?