@Franko

Its the weekend and I have nothing better to do

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @Franko And how do you know that?

Well if it's not you typing here then someone is doing a good impersonation of you...

Plus the clue was in the word "Norway" in your "Location" description under your avatar...

And they did teach me back in the day at school how to tell the time, though back then clocks were mechanical and had hands on them (although some still preferred sun dials)...

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@Franko

We're all up at 4AM in Norway, thouht you knew that by now ;)

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Here... how'd you manage to be in two placse at once, your on Facebook right now (or your evil twin is)...

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@Franko

Yeah, I'm an omnipresence

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Yeah, I'm an omnipresence

So, what do you think of the thread so far?

#6

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kolla wrote: @Franko Yeah, I'm an omnipresence

Oooh, sounds nasty...

best see the doc first thing in the morning about that...

In the meantime put some ointment on it and take two pain killers...

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I guess you can see it that way, but ColdFire chips are not running at much higher of a speed. So I can't understand the interest in a ColdFire if 400mhz PPC is slow. Isn't the Sam board only 600mhz, or am I getting confused?

BlizzardPPC/CyberStromPPC 166 to 233 (PowerPC 603-604)
Sam440 runs at 667 Mhz (AMC440)
Sam460 runs at 1.15 Ghz, (AMC460)
AmigaONE-X1000 at 1.8 Ghz. (?)
AmigaONE-XE as 933 / 800 Mhz (MPC7444 / G4)
Pegasus II 1Ghz. (MPC7447 / G4)

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I am not all about the specs, but the performance. Raspberry Pi's little processor in MIPS really isn't up to par with its clock speed, but it sold like hotcakes.

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What happened to AmigaOS being a resourceful and fast OS? 400mhz isn't enough on a platform that started with 7mhz?

Well back then we only played 4 colors animations and stuff like that, now people you see films 720p, and that requires a lot of CPU power to decode, and we are using the same media players as in Linux.

CPU power is useful also for emulators, Basilisk and UAE does not run well on only 400Mhz.

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If that's the case, it's time to open the source and let me and couple of Aros developers have a crack at it. I'm sure we'll tune it up

So are you going to pay the AROS development to do the work? Or is it going to be a spear time thing some thing on the side? I'm afraid you end up doing the work your self.

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @Cod3r Well most of every one that spend time in this forum has a day job doing some thing else, I love to work on Amiga projects if some one payed me for doing it, but rally, there is no capital to leap frog AmigaOS in too the future, I can tell you right now that after my day job, I go home make food, I clean up, spend some time whit family or friends, so there is hardly any time to work on anything Amiga related, then I'm tiered and go to bed, and this how every day is, and I expect that to be the reality for most hobby programmers like my self.

You are correct. Except i'm not married, no kids and all I can do right now is drink beer. So I would rather drink my Matilda while working on something worth it instead of drinking my beer while typing to you guys the obvious.

Change is needed, collaboration is necessary. Input from the users is required.

Designing or developing things without listening for what is needed is pointless.

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number6 wrote: So, what do you think of the thread so far? #6

You asked for it...



C'mon you didn't expect me to miss an opportunity like that now, did you...

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@Cod3r The dream machine id like is a classic amiga with backwards compatability with old amiga software. it should have enhanced chipset features and be an evolution of the old amiga chipset.it should have modern features,usb etc.
most importantly it should be designed in such a way that the chipset/features etc can be built upon for future amiga systems or even offshoot systems.One truly viable system that can evolve over time as the amiga community is small enough at the moment. Oh and it would be nice if the casing was designed with some nods to the classic amiga case designs.

@number6

I just stumbled in here of boredom, and when I saw this thread I actually put some popcorn in the micro... and they ended up quite a bit burnt (I'm not kidding, can even take pics if you like, haha) as I was reading through this.

What I think - first of all, got to say I'm amazed to see young people (relatively) find interest in the old Amiga systems, think that's pretty cool! Secondly, seeing how "the community" treats new people is waaay predictable, good to see Cod3r handle it well! Yeah, it's been an interesting read.

Cod3r and A.R. - Welcome to the asylum ;)

(and I say this as someone who "escaped" a couple of years ago, my life has been WAY better since I did, my best advise would probably be that run away, as fast as you can, hehe!)

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@Franko

I don't see your funny picture - seems like the site you link to doesn't allow external linking.

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Franko wrote: @Cod3r Quote: Cod3r wrote: Ok, now seriously... That's why I ask publicly "Who are the right people?" Serious answer from me (which is a rarity)... When it come to the Amiga, copyright, IP, trademarks etc... There are no "right people" anymore to talk to (seriously)... All you would do is get drawn into Legal disputes and most likely ripped off if you got involved with any of those currently trying to lay claim to all things Amiga... That is the sad truth of it and looks set to remain that way until the lawyers have taken all their money from all sides and there are no more vultures left to fight amongst themselves... The only way to go is like you said, write the source from scratch so that none of them can even attempt to lay claim to anything and same with the hardware, it would be easy enough to get your product details to Amiga fans without even using the Amiga name...

Not only was that a serious answer, it was a good one. Thanks for that.

I think the biggest problem with the Amiga is that all of its descendants think they have to build their ideas on that trademark or other IP. PC compatibles like Acer, Asus, Lenovo, HP and other don't bother with calling themselves a "IBM" or whatever. Everybody knows that they are IBM PC compatible (or descended from it), so the IBM trademark is ignored. Nobody wants to use it their product names at all, except IBM themselves.

Same should be for the name "Amiga"-For God's sake, let the IP owners have and keep that name. And every other trademark they paid for, licensed or whatever.

That way you have a community that is free to breathe, grow and prosper without the shadow of lawsuits from the miniature tyrants who control the IP.

Freedom is necessary and vital for survival.

@Cod3r
As long as its an amiga at heart and an amiga in fact then who cares what its called.
Why not just officially call them ' miggys' which is the affectionate slang term anyways.

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @Cod3r Quote: I guess you can see it that way, but ColdFire chips are not running at much higher of a speed. So I can't understand the interest in a ColdFire if 400mhz PPC is slow. Isn't the Sam board only 600mhz, or am I getting confused? BlizzardPPC/CyberStromPPC 166 to 233 (PowerPC 603-604) Sam440 runs at 667 Mhz (AMC440) Sam460 runs at 1.15 Ghz, (AMC460) AmigaONE-X1000 at 1.8 Ghz. (?) AmigaONE-XE as 933 / 800 Mhz (MPC7444 / G4) Pegasus II 1Ghz. (MPC7447 / G4) Quote: I am not all about the specs, but the performance. Raspberry Pi's little processor in MIPS really isn't up to par with its clock speed, but it sold like hotcakes. Quote: What happened to AmigaOS being a resourceful and fast OS? 400mhz isn't enough on a platform that started with 7mhz? Well back then we only played 4 colors animations and stuff like that, now people you see films 720p, and that requires a lot of CPU power to decode, and we are using the same media players as in Linux. CPU power is useful also for emulators, Basilisk and UAE does not run well on only 400Mhz. Quote: If that's the case, it's time to open the source and let me and couple of Aros developers have a crack at it. I'm sure we'll tune it up So are you going to pay the AROS development to do the work? Or is it going to be a spear time thing some thing on the side? I'm afraid you end up doing the work your self.

Understood on all fronts, except the part about me paying Aros developers. Unless there is a forecast in Hell for snow today, I won't be signing that paycheck anytime soon

If I would do the work myself, you'll have AmigaOS4 Community Edition in about ten years

Seriously even if I had the resources, it would take compliance from the copyright holders to do such a thing. So I am really just talking hypothetically in this scenario.

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Except i'm not married, no kids and all I can do right now is drink beer.

Never underestimate the importance of drinking good beer!

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Yes, some of us have pointed out this for like a decade and a half. This community is more suited as a target for social anthropology study than anything else.

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kolla wrote: @Franko I don't see your funny picture - seems like the site you link to doesn't allow external linking.

Strange it was working here !!!

You should be able to see it now but you might wish you hadn't...

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adrianbrowne wrote: @Cod3r As long as its an amiga at heart and an amiga in fact then who cares what its called. Why not just officially call them ' miggys' which is the affectionate slang term anyways.

I'm with you 100% on that. I say we leave the IP where it is. When you stop using the terms they lose their value anyway. No one can license a trademark for a name that nobody wants or has interest it.

Anyway, CUSA has sort of killed the Amiga trademark, at least in the traditional sense. Nobody who knew or had the original Amiga computers will ever look at the name the same again.