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kolla wrote: @Cod3r Quote: Except i'm not married, no kids and all I can do right now is drink beer. Never underestimate the importance of drinking good beer! Quote: Change is needed, collaboration is necessary. Input from the users is required. Yes, some of us have pointed out this for like a decade and a half. This community is more suited as a target for social anthropology study than anything else.

You are absolutely correct, sir. What a wise man you are. On both fronts

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Cod3r wrote: @Franko Freedom is necessary and vital for survival.

I always used this wee message on two of my old sites...

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adrianbrowne wrote: @Cod3r The dream machine id like is a classic amiga with backwards compatability with old amiga software. it should have enhanced chipset features and be an evolution of the old amiga chipset.it should have modern features,usb etc. most importantly it should be designed in such a way that the chipset/features etc can be built upon for future amiga systems or even offshoot systems.One truly viable system that can evolve over time as the amiga community is small enough at the moment. Oh and it would be nice if the casing was designed with some nods to the classic amiga case designs.

I like those concepts. But how do you think they can be further modified to accomodate different factions of the community, like PPC users?

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kolla wrote: @number6 I just stumbled in here of boredom, and when I saw this thread I actually put some popcorn in the micro... and they ended up quite a bit burnt (I'm not kidding, can even take pics if you like, haha) as I was reading through this. What I think - first of all, got to say I'm amazed to see young people (relatively) find interest in the old Amiga systems, think that's pretty cool! Secondly, seeing how "the community" treats new people is waaay predictable, good to see Cod3r handle it well! Yeah, it's been an interesting read. Cod3r and A.R. - Welcome to the asylum ;) (and I say this as someone who "escaped" a couple of years ago, my life has been WAY better since I did, my best advise would probably be that run away, as fast as you can, hehe!)

Thanks for the welcome, my friend. I am young, but A.R. hahaha... he only looks young

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But how do you think they can be further modified to accomodate different factions of the community, like PPC users?

There is no such faction. It's a dribble of water in a full cup.

In the last poll constructed by Carl Sassenrath of Amiga fame, only 99 out of 844 respondents were hard line "no" to dropping PPC. In the time since I would wager the divide has grown even further.

[Poll] Carl's Amiga Test

Please don't confuse that with lack of loyalty to people like Trevor Dickinson, Max Tretene, etc. who have kept (as Trevor would say) "the party going".


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number6 wrote: @Cod3r Quote: But how do you think they can be further modified to accomodate different factions of the community, like PPC users? There is no such faction. It's a dribble of water in a full cup. In the last poll constructed by Carl Sassenrath of Amiga fame, only 99 out of 844 respondents were hard line "no" to dropping PPC. In the time since I would wager the divide has grown even further. [Poll] Carl's Amiga Test Please don't confuse that with lack of loyalty to people like Trevor Dickinson, Max Tretene, etc. who have kept (as Trevor would say) "the party going". #6

That's good that most users aren't afraid to drop support for the PPC architecture. Without new and more powerful CPU's, the support is going to hard to maintain, in the long run.

Unless of course someone is planning a PPC revolution, or more support for the current options than a newbie like myself knows about.

However, there are still capable machines that are available and based on the PPC (AmigaOne X1000, Sam boards, etc). Whatever I propose would not be in competition with those options. The community doesn't need another PPC machine.

Thorough 68k support and planning for the future is what is needed, IMO.

In regards to supporting the veterans of the scene, of course-Their input and knowledge is invaluable and they should be included (if they are interested) in all dialogs.

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Thorough 68k support and planning for the future is what is needed, IMO.

You'll have to pardon me for not reading the whole thread, I find these kind of discussions pointless. & boring.

We have 68K support, its called WINUAE, what we need is a Amithlon version to run OS4. All you need is someone to write it & then get Hyperion to support it, simple...?

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what we need is a Amithlon version to run OS4. All you need is someone to write it & then get Hyperion to support it,

The same fellow worked on both.

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In context, it was a time when both coldfire and PPC project were sputtering. (2006) There was a clear feeling of "we need to do something positive". Even I voted "Yes Immediately".

If there were another poll taken where there was a competitive, long term, budget minded PPC choice available it would be interesting to see how the numbers would fall.

Plaz

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sundown wrote: @Cod3r Quote: Thorough 68k support and planning for the future is what is needed, IMO. You'll have to pardon me for not reading the whole thread, I find these kind of discussions pointless. & boring. We have 68K support, its called WINUAE, what we need is a Amithlon version to run OS4. All you need is someone to write it & then get Hyperion to support it, simple...?

WIN is the prefix of WINUAE. That is an emulator on Windows, no? If so, how is that a solution? Using a non-related OS to run your OS?

If it isn't based on Windows, enlighten me.

And in regards to the other part, I am not sure I get it...

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If there were another poll taken where there was a competitive, long term, budget minded PPC choice available it would be interesting to see how the numbers would fall.

Problem with polls these days...that one had a large response because AmiWest had just taken place and interest peaks that time of year. Also, the lawsuit Amiga Inc. vs Hyperion VOF was filed months later and we never had that many active members since.

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He means E-UAE.

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E-UAE is an Amiga emulator, a program that allows you to run software designed for Amiga computers on other platforms, such as Linux or Mac OS. It is based on UAE, the original Ubiquitous Amiga Emulator, and WinUAE, the Windows version of UAE.

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The whole story has more interest than normal and the final answer would be bigger than an add on for OS4. Cod3r correct me if my 25 word or less summary is incorrect.

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WIN is the prefix of WINUAE. That is an emulator on Windows, no? If so, how is that a solution? Using a non-related OS to run your OS?

Amiga OS3.x runs on top of winuae, put it on a fast PC & you have a killer 68k Amiga system. Some even wipe Winblows off the system to make it 100% amiga.

Personally, I have AmiKit installed on my laptop along with Vista, only used it a few times, it is fast. I'm an OS4 user, thats my comfort zone.

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number6 wrote: @Cod3r He means E-UAE. Quote: E-UAE is an Amiga emulator, a program that allows you to run software designed for Amiga computers on other platforms, such as Linux or Mac OS. It is based on UAE, the original Ubiquitous Amiga Emulator, and WinUAE, the Windows version of UAE. #6

Ok. Makes more sense, I guess. But a Linux box running an emulator? Hmm... that's the ideal solution? If that was the case, why in the heck did I waste 9 months making a CF board run Aros 68k?

Silly me, I should have just fired up an E-UAE on my Intel Core2 Duo Ubuntu box!

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sundown wrote: @Cod3r Quote: WIN is the prefix of WINUAE. That is an emulator on Windows, no? If so, how is that a solution? Using a non-related OS to run your OS? Amiga OS3.x runs on top of winuae, put it on a fast PC & you have a killer 68k Amiga system. Some even wipe Winblows off the system to make it 100% amiga. Personally, I have AmiKit installed on my laptop along with Vista, only used it a few times, it is fast. I'm an OS4 user, thats my comfort zone.

If you are running your solution on top of another OS and are satisfied with that, then the whole concept of Amiga is surely long dead. Or you are in the minority of users that want to run your Amiga experience on top of a non-optimal enviroment.

And how do you make your PC 100% Amiga? You erase the OS completely and run Amiga OS3 on a PC? If this is all possible, surely I am doing something wrong...

Can you tell me what AmiKit is? I am going to Google it immediately, but just so I get the point of it.

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E-UAE is just a convenience in order to use classic Amiga software that directly bangs the original h/w, h/w that the next generation PPC boxes do not have.

Much of the classic Amiga s/w can run without such an emulator though, which is obviously much faster.

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number6 wrote: @Cod3r E-UAE is just a convenience in order to use classic Amiga software that directly bangs the original h/w, h/w that the next generation PPC boxes do not have. Much of the classic Amiga s/w can run without such an emulator though, which is obviously much faster. #6

But i'm sure you have to have a very fast processor to have cycle accurate emulation of all those processors used in the Amiga. Does the original software that bangs the hardware work well on E-UAE?

If so, why would Natami or FPGA Arcade or Minimig or any other idea be born? Amiga users just want to have ten different systems that do the same things?

Looking at AmiKit now and still am not sure what it does...

It is obviously an emulator how does it work? The simple version... don't feel like downloading it myself and ordering Amiga Forever right now

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But i'm sure you have to have a very fast processor to have cycle accurate emulation of all those processors used in the Amiga.

True, and most people would say it is dog slow.

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Does the original software that bangs the hardware work well on E-UAE?

It's not quite that simple. E-UAE has a todo list and until I can compare some results with WINUAE, I can't say. We have an issue with interlace, for example, that may be an interrupt issue (less likely), an E-UAE issue, or even a monitor issue.
I'll let those who have used E-UAE comment. Perhaps they disagree.

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If so, why would Natami or FPGA Arcade or Minimig or any other idea be born?

Because creativity is a strong point of the community I think.

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Amiga users just want to have ten different systems that do the same things?

I sincerely doubt the h/w people talk to each other and combine efforts, any more than the s/w people do.

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