@Cod3r

now, that sounds reasonable.

@Cod3r



It is nice to see somebody else that might help. I am not sure what your company does but it sounds interesting especially if you say that it might be able to help with Amiga systems.

If you know how to code and can code for AROS, then I think you should do so. You can probably do a lot.

As for an Amiga X86 running whatever, or any X86 computer running AmigaOS, I don't like that idea especially if the computers are overpriced. The idea to make Amiga X86 and overpriced already exists, and I would not buy overpriced x86 Amiga any more than I would buy an overpriced x86 Apple Macintosh. (Even if the AmigaOS OS Family are much better than Mac OS X) I am not completely against AmigaOS X86 port someday... someday in the very distant future, but I would be completely against it if they port to x86 and drop all other support. My experience with x86 computers has been silly.

I would like to see ARM Commodore &/or Amiga Netbooks & Gadgets running AmigaOS, MorphOS, AROS, or all of the above... but I can dream on.

You are quite young and you already know how to code. I am young also and still need to learn how to code. ...and I am not sure why 68K is "outdated", and I don't know what a ColdFire is.

I am going to try MorphOS when I get G4 PowerBooks. I will put AROS on an empty laptop someday. and I will try AmigaOS when they make a netbook.

You are wise in picking AROS if you think that is the best thing you could help program. You would probably be overwhelmed if you did things for all three OS.

Best Of Luck.

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+1 very reasonable.

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@Cod3r

If i was able to donate a sam440 with os4.1 for you, would you consider use your coding magic for os4? Would of course buy a new one from acube systems, just now they are cheap.
And if you interested, what would you consider doing?

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Cod3r wrote: @NutsAboutAmiga I was speaking about not releasing it right now in the condition it is in, on demand.

No-one has "demanded" anything from you. I read terminills's comment as a gentle reminder that anyone can make bold claims but they need to be backed up somehow eventually. Within your response is this bit: "I am going to ask my employer if it is okay for me to release pics or video", which is a good answer and in itself would have been enough. The rest of post #93, however, is what I was referring to when I said you were "throwing tantrums", along with #104 in which you seem to be trying to goad Manu into a pissing contest of some sort, and #120 (which you have since retracted). I don't know why you perceive requests to see examples of your work as personal insults and questioning your character, but they are not that. To me your reactions seemed out of proportion, which lead me to say what I said.

My advice, unbidden but anyway: when reading posts, take yourself out of the equation - everything in this thread is about your work, nothing is about you.
Don't talk about the Cod3r, talk about the Cod3. Your work, when eventually revealed, will speak for itself.

And then we arrive at post #158. Now we're back on track. More of this kind, please.

@Nameless

Very short version....coldfire and 68k are not 100% code compatible. It was hoped that the coldfire exec mode could capture and handle the "CF invalid" 68K op codes. Unfortunately some of the 68K op codes are valid instructions on CF but do a different operation than they do on 68K. Though the operation performed by the CF is wrong for a 68K coded app, it is a valid CF instruction and cannot be captured. So your old OS/game/app might throw one of these codes and "CF turns right when 68k would have turned left".... crash.

@Cod3r

Welcome and good luck with any of the Ami projects you chose to contribute to.

Plaz

@Cod3r
You can't get anything regarding aeros..
i repeat me... if i would be your boss i would fire you. ; )

Why?
Because someome has a finished design... has software and can save his company a lot of work.

An x86 amiga board is ready since 2010. Now slightly outdated but nothing which couldn't be changed in an week.

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@Plaz

Yep yep... I recall when one of the Natami persons tried out a coldfire board, and decided emulation would be too slow, and it had that whole op code problem.

But what I was wondering about was more recompilation vs emulation. Not that the Amiga scene needs yet another branch to one of its operating systems, as they have plenty already.

But instead of running AROS or WB under emulation on a coldfire, I was wondering if it'd instead be possible to simply change code/alter AROS (or in theory workbench) so it's compiled natively for coldfire?

I do recall there being a mention of easy compilation tools available for 68k developers to compile their programs natively into coldfire code, as well.

If the OS was made coldfire native, and some key programs are recompiled, it would potentially at least give coldfire some benefit over other cpus. Older games and such could still be run using low level 68k emulation. At first this sounds less than ideal, although most old amiga games/programs don't run native on aros anyway unless recompiled (or at least that is what I assume).

@Nameless

Yes, there are tools that will recompile 68k code for use on CF. You can take any source for 68k and compile it for 68K. Cod3r has done just that with AROS code if I understand all the previous thread posts. And that's the problem for classics, If your want to run AOS 1.2-3.1 or any classic apps/games they would need to be recompiled. And that goes for kickstart too.

Also possible to start with binaries, pick through finding the problem code and then rewrite it. But you can see how deep the rabbit hole starts to go. Hopes were CF could be a drop in CPU replacement supporting classic hw/kickstart and apps, but t quickly revealed itself as code writing behemoth. Might as well start from scratch. I personally felt back in the day that Minimig was the end of the CF story for classics.

Plaz

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Please ignore all the criticisms - I think the community has been disappointed too many times to be anything other than cynical - so take their comments with a grain of salt and understand that once you have something to share with the world, that they can look at, touch and play with, you will not only be accepted, you will become a minor deity :)

Well said.. The vocal minority in this community are often disbelieving and attack-prone. But they are very much in the minority.

@cod3r, Don't get overburdened by the squeaky wheels around here. The majority of us welcome you and your efforts and hope your intentions to contribute to this community materialize.

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@Plaz

I wasn't aware he did that for AROS in its entirety... for some reason I thought it still relied on partial emulation.

If he gets it all nice and optimized, speedy as it'll go, and gets emulation for older 68K software working properly (namely games), it could have a market. Maybe not a giant market, but it could be interesting to play with.

And yeah, there is no way to recompile everything out there. But for some key applications (browser, etc), it may work.

Whether it's worth it or not, depends on final pricing. I don't know what coldfire chips go for, but it'd need to be less expensive than ARM/X86 to really make sense from a business standpoint. Or at the very least, less expensive than minimig and other fpga alternatives.

@Cod3r

It would be interesting to have a working coldfire chip solution to replace some 68k chips on classic accelerators and ext gen classic reimplementations.

Individual computer is the company that nowdays mainly continues 68k HW developmen (for example accelerator cards) perhaps worth to co-operate.
Natami team is the most interesting group to work with to get totally new 68k compatible HW made. They have been working to replace old 68k chips with FPGA/ASIC re-implemented 68k. Coldfire might work as plan b for that.


Other than that. AmigaOS NG is with PowerPC. So, when you get into PPC chips, more co-operation would become possible again.
(I would like to see a opensource PPC motherboard(s) made and plan to try to kick that thing forward when time permits.)

UPDATE:
"... Not familiar with Morph OS, and I would not spend the cash to run Amiga OS 4.x when Aros exists and I can improve that myself. Unless it does something Aros can't."

I think both AOS4 and MOS can do things that AROS can not.
But also AROS has some things (like Gallium 3D) that is not on other AmigaOS likes.
AOS4 seems to be the first one to use multicore CPU (work already in progress).

I think you really should try MOS (because you can do it for free) and try to go some Amiga event to see AOS4.

Anyway, doing stuff for OpensSource AROS should benefit all parties, so very nice to see another developer playing with Amiga stuff.!!!

WELCOME!

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@KimmoK

"I think both AOS4 and MOS can do things that AROS can not."

But the list is rapidly getting shorter

@Cod3r

It sounds very reasonable. Welcome to the community.

@wawa

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@Cod3r

neither was i. peace. ;D

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AOS4 seems to be the first one to use multicore CPU (work already in progress).

Oh Really?


http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4367/sthisrunningvirtualboxo.png

Granted it can't be used by the processors as they are in an idle state.

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@terminills

Is it planned to integrate for ABI1? It would be great to have a big step with 64bit and multicore-support

@OlafS25


it's already there. Right now there needs to be some scheduler enhancements from what I understand in order for them to come to life. It was more to prove that it's being worked on albeit slowly in more places than just AOS4.

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I hope that our system-specialists find some time to integrate it. It would be of big benefit for the whole platform.