@jahc

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but I dont think theres any point arguing over a price that isn't confirmed.

I think it's obvious. There are so many threads now about this we don't talk about normal stuff anymore. We sorely needed another X1000 thread and amigauser provided it.

@AlexC

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1700 euros is a real bargain

Actually, you'd be quite right here. Logically the AmigaOne X1000 is ONE THOUSAND TIMES better than my old AmigaOne, as it will certainly run at a 1000 tims the speed! It's going to be a dual core PowerPC running at 800 Ghz!! whoa!!!

@Plaz

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Plaz wrote: @amigauser I heard that's just for the shipping cost. It comes in a very big box. Plaz

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@AmigaHeretic

While SAM is also overpriced, too.
For SAM board price you get a complete PC, just without software.

I like that people would pay whatever needed for new Amiga system
but in Eastern half of Europe salary is 300-500 euros. Not to mention
Latin America, Africa and Asia.

So, announcement "it will cost slightly less then A1000" is rip off for today
prices of hardware. For such price, it would need to be as revolutionary as
A1000, which it will not be ...

Yes, I do understand small quantities, unpredictable investment, global crisis,
taxes etc. but I hope it will bring SAM to be chaper having a competition
and it will be pleasing to use and powerful to demonstrate.

But I expect from Hyperion a final OS4 optimised and bugless for SAM first
and then something made for new Miggy. Yes, I am glad about it.

And I expect it to be popular, but maybe good old school comparison would
be A1200 and A4000T. A4000T is your dreams, but how many peple had it?

Dont forget, in a real world for such price of $2000 you could add some more money
and get MacBook Pro with MacOS X and this solely a board price.

To be at least useful, next to Firefox we need OpenOffice and some decent burning software ports- And Java and Flash off course.

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@vox

>>While SAM is also overpriced


On what basis do you come to this conclusion?

Do you know how much it costs to produce one SAM? If the SAM costs £10 to produce then it's overpriced, if, on the other hand, it costs £200 then it isn't.

And again we can't compare it to the Wintel and Apple products.

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@TheDaddy
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And again we can't compare it to the Wintel and Apple products.

Aside from the difference in economy scale (think 1000 pieces VS a Billion) there is also the fact that Wintel parts can cost that low thanks to being produced in parts of the world where they violate every kind of human right.

@tomazkid

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That was Jack talking about an 8-bit Commodore. tomazkid wrote: Which sold 3-4 times as much as the C= Amigas combined... So something must he have done right?

Yes, Fiat Punto sold a ton more than Ferrari F360 Modena too...(Fiat must have done something right ).

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@tomazkid

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Which sold 3-4 times as much as the C= Amigas combined... So something must he have done right?

It didn't have an OS that needed support and development. It was simply a
console with a keyboard attached to it WITHOUT a devkit even. Everything
was basically hardware banging.
All Commodore had to do was keep the manufacture quality of the main unit
and shovel in all the profits.
C64 also didn't have any disc drive or optical unit that could break. This made
the units last, almost forever.

I'd say it would have been impossible to launch Amiga without a OS in 1985
and have success.

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@Samwel
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I'd say it would have been impossible to launch Amiga without a OS in 1985 and have success.

and yet, almost all of the friends I had who had an Amiga 500 back in the eighties used it exclusively as a games console. Plug in the games disc, and that's it. You didn't even have to write LOAD"*",8,1...


Barely one of them had ever used the two discs that came with the box (workbench and extras) as far as I can remember. So I guess, for them, the OS couldn't have been more uninteresting..

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Yes, Fiat Punto sold a ton more than Ferrari F360 Modena too...(Fiat must have done something right )

Yes but Ferrari is Fiat too...

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what happen to "computer for the masses not the classes"?

Commodore went bust, and then the Amiga gradually fell behind in technology & apps. This means that we now have a small market, and so Amiga-specific hardware prices are relatively high.

It will be a slow road getting back to lower prices: First we need better technology & apps (which is slowly happening), and that means gradually more appeal, and so gradually more sales, and so gradually lower prices, better tech & apps, which then feeds back to more sales, etc. But lower prices are MOSTLY the result of higher sales, not the other way around.

I personally suspect that the X1000 will cost somewhere between £1000 & £1500 (= 1100 & 1700 euros). If you want something cheaper, then buy a nice Sam440 Flex (733MHz for £700 = 780 euros).


You should also remember that PC sales have sky-rocketed in the last decade, giving much lower prices. It *used* to be the case that a decent PC would cost you £1000. On that basis the X1000's price should seem quite favourable.

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@ChrisH

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You should also remember that PC sales have sky-rocketed in the last decade, giving much lower prices. It *used* to be the case that a decent PC would cost you £1000. On that basis the X1000's price should seem quite favourable.

That only is valid depending on your market. If A-EON only plans to sell to those who are interested in OS4, they can charge whatever they feel like it because it's a full lock on the market. If they wanted to sell it to the outside world, then cost compared to PCs is extremely valid. A-EON needs to be selling $500USD desktop machines, this $1,500USD - $2,500USD would be death as no one in their right mind from the outside of the OS4 community will pay that much for OS4 based machine, it's not worth it.

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@andres

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Yes but Ferrari is Fiat too...

+1 ... LOL...

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@amigauser

Considering our niche market it sound cheap at 1700¤.

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@damocles

On Hyperions website it says they want to revive the Amiga platform. That would indicate to me that they are aiming outside the Community in a bid to help the platform grow. If this is the case the X1000 will have to be priced competitively in order for the platform to grow. I don't think anyone is saying that Msoft are to be beaten etc. But the more competitively priced the X1000 is, the better it is marketed, will reflect in good sales, a growing userbase and hopefully long term profit for hyperion/A-EON. With short term over the top prices, no marketing etc the machine will sell well short term but once it has satisfied the userbase/catchment then things will slow down. It is my belief that hyperion have to be ambitious and push this machine to its limit as i think it has a lot of potential. So in short and to sum up, a good price at the start may make for a loss in the short term, but a growing userbase and excellent price and product plus excellent software being developed will lead to success and profit long term for A-EON/Hyperion. The more homes the X1000 is in, the better, and word of mouth will then come into the equation and the machine will market itself. It is a question of how much they want to/can push this new Amiga. I will buy one regardless, but will I be able to persuade my Pc friends to follow suit? It will be difficult at the price being touted. They like the OS running on my Sam. If i showed them this new Amiga, and the product, price, software etc are all spot on I think some of my friends would purchase one. 2010 will be a great year for the Amiga, i know that much.

@amigauser
Was just thinking about this. The most expensive computer/mobo I ever bought was an A1XE-G3 which cost me £500 with OS4 included back in 2002/2003 and I sold it last year for £400, pretty good value really . In the time between I also purchased a laptop and desktop computers/components in total probably costing me about £700ish (probably more) of which I doubt I will ever see any return. A simaler effect can be see with my classic Amiga hardware, scandoublers, accelerators etc. holding there price very well.

I suppose so far we are only assuming what high end processor is included in this new mobo so guessing the price is tricky. But even if it is sold around £1000 then even after a couple of years it will not have lost 80% of its value like in the PC world.

@ikir

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ikir wrote: @amigauser Considering our niche market it sound cheap at 1700¤.

But they are not aiming at the niche market.. The MAP is to revive the platform back to it's former glory. 1700¤ is not affordable for most people including myself. But i guess it is hard for rich people like you to understand that fact.

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@Tomas

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@ikir Quote: ikir wrote: @amigauser Considering our niche market it sound cheap at 1700?. But they are not aiming at the niche market.. The MAP is to revive the platform back to it's former glory. 1700? is not affordable for most people including myself. But i guess it is hard for rich people like you to understand that fact.

1700euro's is in the price range i've thought of in my head, Not that bad i think. If its around 1200euro i think the price is very good. I'm not rich but i'm going to get me one for sure. Priorities is a word i come to think of. Where are you from in this world?

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@Amiga1200Mark

If you are truly genuine with your comments, I suggest that you contact Hyperion and offer to make an investment in the company in the 1-5M USD range. Without such an investment, how do you think Hyperion would be able to sponsor hardware that costs more to manufacture?
If you are unable to do so, I would suggest that you stop posting stuff like this as it only proves that the only thing you are looking for is for Hyperion to sponsor you with hardware.

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@DAX

There is the economy of scale but there are also hundreds or maybe thousands company's who make motherboards. And look how many different models Asus, Gigabyte and Asrock have e.g. Not every model sells 100.000 or even 10.000 times in the Windows-world.

@bitman

I agree! The system looks awesome. is different with it's special chip. A lot of people still pay 500-700 euro for a CyberstormPPC. If it is in the price range of a dualcore Imac the price is more then ok IMHO.