@Herewegoagain

> I don't see anywhere that says this price includes OS4,

No neither do I....

And... it says 'production cost'....

Is that without profit margins and taxes ??????

Lets see... 100 pound profit for who-ever and 20 percent taxes for us poor Dutch people... hmmm... plus OS4 license... Danm !

This cant be true

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Me too. I was told to wait until the announcement was made today before making up my mind to hang things up. 400 pounds is roughly $710 USD (currently). I don't see anywhere that says this price includes OS4, so add another $150 USD on top of that and you are right back at $860. Not really any better than the mA1.

It's crazy. Add on dealer margin, VAT and the cost of OS4, and I'd be surprised if the final retail price is below £650. That's completely insane. It needed to be half that or less to be a success.

And I notice it requires registered memory, just like the A1 did, further increasing the end cost

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P.S.2 Can it fit in an Amiga Phantasy Case??

It's a mini-itx board, just like the MicroA1, so the answer ought to be "yes". Assuming that case ever happens.

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Way did they go SD-RAM, DDR-RAM is less expensive and better?

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Ah Damn......

Is this just a ploy to make me buy a uA1 afterall?
If the price is the same and it runs at the same speed then what's the point?

At least I would get graphics on my uA1 and have the so-called "Freedom of choice" on the PCI anyway.
And still no mention if AOS is included in the price.

Nope....This thing isn't going to save the day afterall.
It doesn't raise the highend and it doesn't lower the low end.
It isn't even in the middle.....It's a me-too product.

And if the fantasy case doesn't take riser cards......then this board sure ain't for me.

Now if it was a pico sized board.........Hmmmm....then me wants...otherwise....no way.

Did they really think we wouldn't pick this thing to shreds....all the build up for what?
Can you guess I am disappointed?
Oh man, and you just wait until someone finds a minor problem with it.
This is DOA!!!

Yeah, you might think this addresses the A1 shortage....but I doubt it.
Do you really think there wont be any more A1s out when OS4 final comes out?
Fat chance...you don't go all this way to drop the ball at the goal posts.
There would have to be a big order of A1s when OS4 comes out and the A1 price will drop.....maybe much less than this.

Ah, but what the hell do I know. Got no money to buy either.

Ok. Going back to my happy place now. We have no hotdogs!!! And now we have more stale buns!!!

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Live report from the BB3

No Troika or their board (although I gather that their web master is here), so nothing much to report. Apparently one of them is sick, and the other one can't come from America because of bad weather - and possibly politics played a part too (you have to guess who).

The suggested £400 price point is apparently pessemistic, and it could be a LOT lower. Wait and see!

Draw you own conclusions...

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Way did they go SD-RAM, DDR-RAM is less expensive and better?

Most likely its just that the chipset doesnt supprt it.

@fishy_fis

Most likely your right

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Is this just a ploy to make me buy a uA1 afterall? If the price is the same and it runs at the same speed then what's the point?

At least the Troika board doesn't use a broken northbridge.

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Is this just a ploy to make me buy a uA1 afterall?

It's up to you

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If the price is the same and it runs at the same speed then what's the point?

USB2, ATA133, (Fastboot using flash mem)

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At least I would get graphics on my uA1 and have the so-called "Freedom of choice" on the PCI anyway.

Then you have used up all your PCI slots, the Troika have one extra you can use for one thing more like Cat4, or some other cool hardware,

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@jorkany

I think it clear that Troika is better mainboard then the Micro-Amiga-C, on the other hand if you have an AmigaOne you not going to exchange it for a Troika, it's not that cool.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

>USB2, ATA133,

I'll have those in one of my multiple PCI slots

>(Fastboot using flash mem)

Now THATS something.... So we can put OS4 bootpartion on there, or just the Kcikstart files ? This could be cool !

Not worth a complete new motherboard though...

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@Atheist

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There's only 2 PCI slots, but you have 5 USB 2.0!!!! ports, and the sound is on board.

K. We've got USB2. # of ports is a convenience more than anything else in. Plug a USB hub in if you need more. USB 2 is good to see.

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I'm depressed about only having a G3 chip on there, Altivec should be standard by now. (What MHz is it???)

750FX, 800MHz has been the chip mentioned even months ago.

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2 DIMM slots, and 1 Gig ram is max?

So? You're not getting that out of any uA1-C, or even most XEs regardless. Memory max is fine for a cheaper board. I expect the memory throughput will be better than the current A1s as well.

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RAID!!!! RAID!!!! RAID!!!! RAID!!!! RAID!!!! RAID!!!!

I'm not even sure you know what RAID is? You DO know you need additional drives, right? Yes, striping your boot disk will speed things up a bit, at the cost of a duplicate hard drive. This isn't exactly a real 'dire need' for a dektop OS.

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CaptainMooMoo, we need your expertise desperately!!!!

What's a CS instructor going to do here? What expertise do you think is needed here...the specs are what they are. If the max price is what it's priced at, it's a yawner, aside from possibly being available. If it comes in lower, say up to $600USD, it'll have a chance of seeing new people purchase that weren't as interested previously. If OS4 + dealer markup goes on top of that, agree with HereWeGoAgain- all that means is people willing to pay the high price of admission may have a board they're able to buy- still an improvement, but not as interesting to those of us already with A1s, or people waiting for a lower cost board. We'll have to see.

USB2 is good, non-standard PCI slots is bad. It would fit into a phantasy case IF you didn't have to add a PCI graphics card to it. With a graphics card, I can't see it fitting.

So what? If it's available, that's more than the availability of A1s has generally been.

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I don't think the price is his biggest problems

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wegster wrote: @Atheist Quote: 2 DIMM slots, and 1 Gig ram is max? So? You're not getting that out of any uA1-C, or even most XEs regardless. Memory max is fine for a cheaper board. I expect the memory throughput will be better than the current A1s as well. Quote: RAID!!!! RAID!!!! RAID!!!! RAID!!!! RAID!!!! RAID!!!! I'm not even sure you know what RAID is? You DO know you need additional drives, right? Yes, striping your boot disk will speed things up a bit, at the cost of a duplicate hard drive. This isn't exactly a real 'dire need' for a dektop OS. Quote: CaptainMooMoo, we need your expertise desperately!!!! What's a CS instructor going to do here? What expertise do you think is needed here...the specs are what they are.

Hi wegster,

CaptainMooMoo and his students is a really good opportunity to get a RAID driver done. I have a RAID card in my x86er with 2 HDs, striped. The throughput should be increased by upto say 85%, right?

This would be AWESOME for video editing (or any chance at all, maybe).


Also, more RAM just RULES! (Because it does.)



Hi NutsAboutAmiga,

Yes!

@Herewegoagain

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Herewegoagain wrote: ...400 pounds is roughly $710 USD (currently). I don't see anywhere that says this price includes OS4, so add another $150 USD on top of that and you are right back at $860. Not really any better than the mA1. I was hoping there would be some better news than this today, but still ... I will wait to see the final product. From this announcement, I cannot see it hitting at the $499 US price, and as such, will not be the product to bring OS4 to the rest of us.

I totaly agree

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I'd say this is a bit dissapointing. Sure, it's slightly better than the microA1, but if the cost is more or less the same it doesn't help. And if it is as expensive as the uA1, how are they going to compete in other markets?

Olegil, how's your stuff coming along?

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At least the Troika board doesn't use a broken northbridge.

It's the southbridge that has caused most of the problems with the XE.....

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