Video cards have had acceleration for video for years, but the Amiga never got the driver support for them. A 450MHz Mac will have video acceleration enabled because the manufacturer will have written the drivers to show off their card - our drivers are all third party, and we don't always have access to all the docs.

Hence people saying "It's 2011 and x can't play DVDs yet. They must be rubbish!!!1" obviously don't realise that DVD playback entirely in software - as the Amiga has to do - is not a trivial matter.

@samo79

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out of curiosity . . . you are laughting just for trolling ?

You even needed to ask?

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@Tomazkid

You have been reported for moderation abuse.

Which rule did I break? NONE.

I just expresed my frustration about a serious issue in Sams in a funny way, and I am sure I wasn´t the only one who made some laughs with that post. If you can´t allow others oppinions and jokes (expressed in a sarcastic but correct tone), just because you don´t like what they say, then it is your problem, not ours. Ours is that people like you are accepted as moderators, because, even I get reported by someone who can stand the shame, YOURS SHOULD BE TO ANSWER THEM THAT ALL OPPINIONS CAN BE FREELY EXPRESSED, not restrict user's rights .

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@vision

I don't know what you wrote in your second post, but you already made your point in the first post. It wasn't exactly a constructive addition to the conversation, and didn't answer the OP's question, yet it was allowed by the mods. Continuing with that tone would be considered trolling by some people, and that's not allowed.

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Which rule did I break? NONE.

Er, I don't think it's up to you to determine that...

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@Daedalus

ehrr NEITHER YOU.

I am sure Tomazkid is already more than 18 years old to defend himself, because you confess that, even you don´t what I wrote, but BTW you already have crystal clear I did something wrong and he is right XDD

That gives a clear measure of the attitude and ethics of some people here. The same people that call the ones saying HURTING FACTS "trolls". So as "trolls", they should be banned, confined in "special" threads, or silenced for saying those FACTS (not oppinions, or trollings).

All very realistic, respectful, and sadly, in the end, very helpful to improve the community: buth in active users and in quality of the discussions. You are recoleting what you seed.

To answer the question in the topic:
Hardware; because the CPU has no L2 cache and because there is no dedicated hardware to do it.
Software; because there are no drivers for potential hardware decoders and the codecs used could probably be further optimized for the 440 CPU.

Still, how many of you have tried disabling the L2 cache in you G3/G4 machines? I think the C:CPU command can do it.

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@vision

I'm not the one who said you did or you didn't - you answered that yourself, in the same post, when it wasn't your place to. It's like saying "Was I driving dangerously? NO!" to the policeman who stopped you for driving dangerously.

Just because you're saying facts doesn't automatically mean you're not trolling. Say that the machine is slow is fine, you'll get people agreeing and disagreeing with you, and that's proper discussion. Keep on saying it's slow, even when other people have responded, is trolling as you're only doing it to perpetuate an argument, not as part of the discussion.

But I'm not a mod, it's up to the mods to decide... Have a look at the TOS though before you automatically assume you're not trolling or flaming by what you say.

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@vision

You know, this is in a way a religious place. I don't know what you said, but it appears it was all but constructive. Saying bad things about our beloved items doesn't lead to anything good. New and more powerful things are in the works. It won't go faster or be more powerful because someone craps on our current items.

Do you have a habit of running into churches during service yelling that God doesn't exist or that Jesus was a conman as well?

Doing the latter may have some form of point (like enlightning people to believe in provable science instead), but spewing bad things about our hardware, pointing out over and over that it is slow and obsolete can only lead to one thing: Convincing people to convert from Amiga. Is that what you want???? Is that your goal?? You and all others what repeat the same things of course...

I don't this negativity. It doesn't lead to anything good. Just convincing more poeple to leave faster. There is no point in that. Unless of course these "trolls" are actually hired by Billy Goat and Steven Work to actively try to water out the last non-MS/Apple users from the world and lure them into their expensive, locked-down, virusinfected, narrowminded world of singularity.

Think different. Think Amiga. And stop complaining about the hardware!

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I really cant see it bein a hardware issue. I used to watch dvds on a celeron 433 with a 4 meg s3 virge about 15 years ago and it played nigh on perfectly. Surely the sam hardware is at least on par with that ? Id hazzard a guess its an OS4/driver issue more than anything.

@Deniil715

Saying MS, or even Apple is expensive in a ppc amiga "debate" is more than a little odd.

As for not complaining about the hardware, I dont see that as constructive either. The simple fact is what's available for OS4.x *is* quite weak and massively expensive. Just accepting it will do nothing than have people continue on that path with substandard hardware. Dont misunderstand me here, Acube hardware seems quite solid, but that's not nearly enough for the majority of people.
It comes down to the way in which a person complains about it. All out trolling obviously is silly, but so is simply accepting things. OS4.x cops a lot of flack because people who are interested arent happy with the options, or the prices. Not everyone who doesnt like it is a troll, some are simply amiga fans who want better for our beloved platform.

@fishy_fis

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Saying MS, or even Apple is expensive in a ppc amiga "debate" is more than a little odd.

O.K. Here we go again with that age old and fully out-of-sync comparison, the comparison between two car brands. Hold on.
A Toyota is relatively cheap and reliable for that money. A Volvo is expensive in comparison. Very expensive. But by the time/overall distance the Volvo is used up, you may have spent more money on Toyotas. Far more. (*)

The comparison between MS & Apple on one side and ppc on the other in terms of expense, might prove not to be that odd as you think: the ppc box may live (HAS to...) quite a bit longer.

I own a Micro since December 2004. It works as it has always done.
My son in the meantime, is about to purchase his 3rd x86 box, and has had both his previous boxes upgraded ad interim. Who spent the most money? Surely not me. Not even when I buy a SAM460 this summer.

(*) I have owned some 17 cars in nearly 40 years amongst which a Toyota, but it looked so dated, boring and tatty even when it was only some 8 years old. And yes, Volvos galore: 3 in succession: 340 Diesel, 740 GLE Estate (4sp + OD!) petrol & LPG and now a 940 Estate petrol & LPG. Hardly ever had a cheaper car to run with an extreme track record for reliabillity. Poor comparison, but alas, I wanted to contribute to this thread albeit fully OT, for which I apologise.

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@OldFart

I've seen that arguement a few times before ad I cant buy into it. Since 2003 Ive probably bought even more than 3 x86 boxes. This however doesnt mean that the athlon64 I bought in 2004 isnt still working. In fact it is, and quite nicely at that. The "amigas last longer" arguement is excluding many facts, and sounds more likely clutching at straws for justification. Replacing/upgrading an x86 box is usually for specific reasons (ie. newer software that requires more power), its not actually necessary. In fact the 7 year old athlon64 I mentioned is a heck of a lot more capable still than any sam/a1/etc. machine. Use any machine, be it x86, ppc, 68k, whatever, for software that's a match and it'll last for a long time. This doesnt just apply to the amiga.

@fishy_fis

I'm tempted to put another few cents in but.... nah... I don't....








... or will I?

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@Amiga_3k

Say what you like, it's no skin off my nose. Wont change what Ive said from being right.
Not really sure why people would get offended by what ive said though. I was quite diplomatic about it all.

@Amiga_3k

Ah... there I go... can't resist it any longer....

Although the point of 'being able to run newer software' is rather valid, I keep wondering why that newer software needs that extra power?

Bad example number 1:
Microsoft Word of today is more power hungry than it's great grandfather from, say, 1998. But has it introduced much needed new features enabeling us to do just that bit more which justifies the purchase of a new, more powerfull computer? I use Word on a daily basis, creating company reports, engineering reviews, manuals... the works. I use the newest as the ICT guy was kind enough to install it for me but what I do now I can do on far older versions of Word as well. I guess I could do it as easy with WordPerfect 6 or even Final Writer.

Bad example number 2:
At work I have to use 3D CAD software as well, amongst them is my favortie Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire 5. This version has some serious hardware requests but does it enable me to do far much more than with the far more humble 2000i version? Nah, not really. The result of a day of hard work is still a piece of paper with a nice drawing.

The bad thing of us willing to pay for more powerfull hardware every three years or so is, in my opinion, that programmers can get lazy and don't worry about code optimization and don't have to think too much about the features of the software. If those new features slow down the software without providing new-neverseen-before-functionality-which-you-start-to-wonder-how-you-could-have-lived-without-it for-so-many-years then I would opt for ditching those features.

But then... maybe I'm just becoming a grumpy old man .

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@Amiga_3k

Sure, I have absolutely no arguement in regards to the fact that some software is less efficient than it's predecessors (some horribly so), but as I said its simply a case of using the software that's a match to the hardware. Hypothetically say Office 2010 doesnt run great on an aging machine, simply use Office 2006 (for a random example). Id be surprised if there's many people upgrading for things like word processors though. More likely they'd be upgrading for gaming, 3d rendering, audio processing and so on. Stuff that has a genuine benefit for faster hardware. Again though just because the latest/greatest 3d game doesnt run on a machine doesnt make it redundant. There's plenty of software that will run nicely. Simply run less demanding software on an older system (be it x86, ppc, 68k, arm, etc.) and it'll last a good amount of time. Amiga does this by default (no powerful software), but that's not to say it cant be done elsewhere.

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@All

- Search after hardware DVD playback documentation for Radeon range of GFX cards.

- Give them to Cobra.

- Hope that Cobra have the skill to implement the stuff.

and this kind of thread will end.....

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@Mrodfr

Anyway: no mean to offend, but even all these happened in record time, it would not change the fact that "new """"amigas"""", in 2011, yet cannot cope with dvd playback is a VERY PATHETIC FACT

(now come again tomadkid, and close my mouth cause it hurts)

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@fishy_fis

Then I think we agree and if this talk took place in a pub I'd offer you a beer, so here it is:

Privately I never have joined the 'my computer must be quicker and far more expensive than the neighbor's' argument (hence I just recently ditched our old laptops as it wasn't economically to repair them).

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