@ppcamiga1

Parroting something doesnt change reality.

People who like AmigaOS paradigms enjoy it for what it is.
You may prefer Windows, but many enjoy AmigaOS and derivatives and will use it, by their own choice, regardless of what other OSes are available for a hardware platform.
Do you hound MorphOS users because MacOS and assorted Linux distros are available for ppc Macs?
Your opinions and thoughts on other peoples choices couldn't matter less. Why, and how on Earth do you think they do?
Its for others to decide what is right for them. You're entitled to your preferences as is everyone else. The difference is that other people aren't so pitiful that what strangers do with their free time doesn't cripple them.
You understand the concept of personal taste and interests when it comes to yourself, but not others?
Stop pretending you dont understand this just so you can parrot the same moot stupidity over and over.

Or are you simply as narcissistic as this character you try so hard to portray?

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@fishy_fis

I like PPC, I just don't see it as a viable continuation today. Back when the BlizzardPPC came out, the step up in processing power the 603 gave me over the 040, as a developer, let me experiment with stuff that was too slow to be practical on the 040. For me, RTG and 3D came very soon after and it was great fun to be doing that stuff then. In those days, moving to PPC from 68K was a logical decision. The hardware already existed, the gap bridged by Phase5 and Apple had done it successfully.

Today, it's all irrelevant. Apple stayed relevant by continuing the "platform game", jumping over to x86/64 as PPC stalled and later jumping to ARM.

I'm a proponent of 68K today because it has never been more accessible thanks both to emulation and ongoing efforts to make new accelerators and clones. It's also a bigger market for anyone interested in actually selling anything.

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@Karlos

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Apple stayed relevant by continuing the "platform game", jumping over to x86/64 as PPC stalled and later jumping to ARM.

Which is the entire point of having a portable architecture agnostic operating system - OS4 was promised to be portable, but apparently it isn't. Apple still delivers latest MacOS for Intel systems.

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@kolla

It is (theoretically) portable, with the exception of a few low-level kernel bits that necessarily have to deal with supervisor state stuff, at least to any other 32-bit big endian platform. All the hard work of moving from assembler to C has been done. It seems to me that the reasons for it languishing on PPC are mostly nontechnical.

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@fishy_fis

Its very fishy he never defends MOS and Linux PPC, just OS4

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@vox

Given that MorphOS has the better MUI implementation of all, makes me wonder...

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PowerPC is in a weird limbo place. It never enjoyed the breadth of use that 68K did and it wasn't an ISA that was especially fun to code for directly (though it has some nice features, e.g. choice of whether or not condition codes are affected etc). People that coded on and for PPC tended to just use compiled languages and moved on when apple did.

Probably because the largest desktop use was the Mac and OSX generation macolytes don't seem to be a particularly sentimental bunch, PPC was ultimately just an architecture that existed. It doesn't have any intrinsic coolness or rouse strong feelings of nostalgia except in a limited number of individuals. People still mess with 6502 today, but I doubt anyone will be messing with PPC the same way after so many years.

Personally, as a developer and tinkerer I had a blast going from a 68040 to a 603e at almost 10x the clock speed and PowerUP/WarpOS kernels were rather interesting challenges from an optimisation perspective. The Blizzard G4 was a board I really wanted to get, but alas it never materialised.

It was fun while it lasted but I feel sad that the efforts of everyone that made OS4.1 and MOS a reality are both seemingly dead-ended on the architecture. MOS x64 has been talked about for ages and the supply of PPC Mac hardware will surely dry up at some point. I don't see why either OS is "coupled" to PPC in an era where ARM is so prevalent.

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@ppcamiga1

And 2008 to 2018 Amiga PPC has failed miserably,
while m68k revived with 080 MMX and PiStorm

Aminet AROS, OS3.x, MOS vs OS4 sw tells it all
or Aminet vs OS4depot uploads.

And when you say PPC you miss non AmigaOne machines.

I can do way more on iMac G5 with Linux, MacOS X and MorphOS
then I ever could on x1000 and I have working Bluetooth, WiFi and faster CPU.

Also I had PS3 and will get WII U and these consoles are PPC but
have good OS, utilize hardware and have great game library.

FatPS3 even allowed running Linux as dual boot and any PS3 can be hacked to it.
Also there is a way to hack WII U too https://linux-wiiu.org

All those PowerPC machines are way cheaper then any AmigaOne
and way more usable

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@Tpod

x1000 drivers and CFE have never been sorted out,
better go with x5000/040 if you wish so, plus you get MorphOS which is great

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@Karlos

Biggest plus is portability of OS4 code that screams to be backported,
as it seems to be ongoing with OS 3.1.4, OS 3.2.2 ...

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