For some info, www.tundra.com and Search for Tsi-107.

As for myself, they could even scrap the sound chip as
there are USB sound devices.

I already like this thing, and if it will do the job
for Eyetech.... Alan may be one of their biggest customers.
And who knows, he may not refer to it as Amy, but rather
Asprin.

Hardware stuff aside. I'll ask again. Do you, Troika, have licence from Amiga Inc?

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@Nightcrawler

Now they are only aiming at new comers whit this design, whit faster CPU they maybe attract current users too

I don't think a faster CPU is going to make that big difference in the end price anyway

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Atheist is server geek, and is looking for a 4 cpu monster of Amiga, whit 2G ram, and every thing else that is cool.

I'm pretty sure Atheist doesn't run any servers, nor have need of one. Oh wait, was that a clever way of saying 'he just wants stuff he doesn't need for any reason'?

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Hi wegster, CaptainMooMoo and his students is a really good opportunity to get a RAID driver done. I have a RAID card in my x86er with 2 HDs, striped. The throughput should be increased by upto say 85%, right?

Ahh, a RAID driver for an existing (plug-in) card. Ok, that makes more sense now, although I'd rather see them help on OpenOffice.org , AWeb or on a firewire driver, but that's personal preference.

Most 'RAID' onboard is lame and still requires CPU time and software AFAIK. Think the equivalent of a WinModem...so loses some of the speed increases via 'real' hardware RAID. onboard RAID also doesn't AFAIK have additional cache reserved for drive operations, nor battery back up of the cache..I'm a big 'fan' of RAID, and have set up several enterprise storage systems...but tend to pretty much ignore it on the desktop...that may change if you're running Windows I suppose, but until onboard RAID can be configured via hardware only (via it's BIOS or a bootable disk or CD even) and OS doesn't need to dedicate CPU time to it (effectively making it software based RAID), I'm not much of a fan.

The only 'exceptions' to this rule I'd say are VERITAS Volume Manager and perhaps Sun Solstice/DiskSuite/whatever they call it in S10/meta-devices, but that also goes beyond RAID 0 and RAID 1, and allows you to grow volumes on the fly among other nifty things..

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This would be AWESOME for video editing (or any chance at all, maybe). Also, more RAM just RULES! (Because it does.)

Need the software first for video editing.

Yeah I 'like' RAM too, but 1GB is reasonable, and better than the uA1-C will ever see. Note comments were made saying this is the low end board, and there may be a future different board. It all takes time- if you didn't like the A1000 or then A500 when it came out, did it make you slam it or just wait for the A2000/3000? Give it time- no board is going to be 'everything to everyone,' let's see what the pricing winds up at and if it runs OS4 first. (Yes, Troika should say if they have in fact got a license and how OS4 will be distributed if at all...if not, I don't _think_ OS4 is supposed to be sold seperately?)

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wegster wrote: @Atheist Quote: Hi wegster, CaptainMooMoo and his students is a really good opportunity to get a RAID driver done. I have a RAID card in my x86er with 2 HDs, striped. The throughput should be increased by upto say 85%, right? Ahh, a RAID driver for an existing (plug-in) card. Ok, that makes more sense now, although I'd rather see them help on OpenOffice.org , AWeb or on a firewire driver, but that's personal preference.

Hi wegster,

Well, I may have egg on my face, but I'm pretty sure that the Troika website said (yes, I'm hearing voices) the board has a RAID controller on it, but no driver is available.


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Give it time- no board is going to be 'everything to everyone,' let's see what the pricing winds up at and if it runs OS4 first. (Yes, Troika should say if they have in fact got a license and how OS4 will be distributed if at all...if not, I don't _think_ OS4 is supposed to be sold seperately?)

I see no reason whatsoever for them to announce the board here, and at BB3, if it DIDN'T have an AOS4.0 license, or an aggreement to have a working AOS4.0 version on it.


And yes, you're right, there are going to have to be two different boards, one stripped down econmical, "portable" motherboard, and the mother of all motherboards POWER MONSTER GIGA RIG for others*!!!



* Okay, just Helgis

@opi

Fact #1: What Troika delivered so far? A 'half-an-hour design' website and some promises called a hardware specification.

Fact #2: They haven't shown any prototype (even a non-working one).

Fact #3: They decided to not disclose their names for some reason.

Fact #4: They haven't said they have a license for OS4 or not (they for sure have no license for Amiga brand, as they have named the board "Amy"). Since it seems they haven't any working board, OS4 port for it simply can't exist yet.

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@Atheist

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Well, I may have egg on my face, but I'm pretty sure that the Troika website said (yes, I'm hearing voices) the board has a RAID controller on it, but no driver is available.

No, you're right, so it does:
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Sil0680 ATA133 controller. Supports 2 channels (4 devices). Full ATA 100/133 transfer rates, DMA bus mastering and RAID (Raid is dependent on OS drivers).

I'll have to go check out the Sii0680 RAID capabilites and see what it really offers. No onboard RAID config BIOS I'd imagine, so it'll need a OS based configuration program at least. I've got a sii3112 on my A1 now, but after seeing the card again- no onboard cache memory nor battery backup, RAID 0 and RAID 1 (striping = faster, mirror = can lose a drive but performance is worse or equal in case of good hardware raid) I don't have an overwhelming need to use it, plus I've already got two (different) drives in the system. Maybe will play with it at some point.

Regarding the license, they may be in discussions on it, may or may not have worked something out with Hyperion, maybe AInc doesn't respond so they're going on anyway...no one knows for sure. There may be reasons for them not saying anything more 'until it's done' either. If they do have a license currently, it would be good for them to simply state that directly, instead of 'we made the board to run OS4,' simply to make that clear in a direct rather than evasive fashion and to satisfy everyone.

I think when it's produced, we'll see it running OS4, but that would be simply my opinion.

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Mechanic wrote: For some info, www.tundra.com and Search for Tsi-107.

I did so and there were not any hits.

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@Moxee

http://www.tundra.com/Products/PowerPC/Tsi107/index.cfm

I just used the pulldown menu from the side.
So here are the general specs of the TSI107 (note that there are about 9 different versions of the chip also):

Features
Processor Interface

* Supports the Motorola MPC603e, MPC7xx, and MPC74xx processors
* Supports the IBM PowerPC 603e, and PowerPC 7xx processors
* Processor bus frequency up to 133 MHz
* I/O voltage: 2.5V or 3.3V
* SMP support for a second processor
* Full memory coherency, integrated arbiter and slave peripheral support

Memory Interface

* High-bandwidth (32-bit/64-bit) data bus up to 133 MHz
* Programmable timing: supports either DRAM (FPM, EDO) or SDRAM
* Integrated SDRAM clock generation
* 8, 32, or 64-bit ROM/Flash ROM
* 8, 32, or 64-bit general-purpose I/O port: uses ROM controller interface with address strobe
* Supports parity, read-modify-write, or error-correcting code (ECC)

PCI Interface

* Compliant with PCI specification (revision 2.1)
* 32-bit PCI interface - up to 66 MHz
* 5.0 V compatible
* Integrated PCI Arbiter and Clock Generator

Other Features

* Two-channel integrated DMA controller
* Intelligent Input/Output (I2O) message controller
* Doorbell and messaging registers
* Inter-Integrated Circuit (I2C) Controller
* Embedded Programmable Interrupt Controller (EPIC)
* IEEE 1149.1 compliant, JTAG boundary-scan interface
* Power management unit




Re: AmyO5 Specs

I wonder also about this from their listed specs page:

PCI slot
2 x 33 Mhz, 32bit.

Now why would they make both PCI slots 33Mhz, when the chipset is capable of going up to 66Mhz? Wouldn't there need to be at least one @ 66Mhz for at least half way decent graphics performance and PCI riser cards?

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@Herewegoagain

>Now why would they make both PCI slots 33Mhz, when the chipset is capable of going up to 66Mhz?

Because the PCI chips onboard require a 33MHz bus.

>Wouldn't there need to be at least one @ 66Mhz for at least half way decent graphics performance and PCI riser cards?

Yes, but this is not possible with the Tundra Chip.
GFX performance might suffer even more because all high speed components like
IDE, USB2 and Gigabit have to share the same bus.

@opi

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Do you, Troika, have licence from Amiga Inc?

It would be a bit of a waste of time if they hadn't.

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@Herewegoagain

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Now why would they make both PCI slots 33Mhz, when the chipset is capable of going up to 66Mhz?

Because they can't. PCI only supports two devices when running at 66MHz. The Troika board has 6 devices (USB2, IDE, Sound, Ethernet and two PCI slots) so the bus has to run at 33MHz or it won't work.

Most systems get around this having two physical PCI busses, one at 33MHz and one at 66MHz, but the TSI107 North Bridge only has a single PCI bus so everything has to be hung from that.

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@wegster

My sil680 pci card does have a bios to configure raid sets etc, so it's hardware raid, don't use it for raid tho :P

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It would be a bit of a waste of time if they hadn't.

Waste of what? Webspace? There's no HW produced yet, if I understand things right. And if they have this pice of paper, why make a secret of of it?

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@DrBombcrater

Okay so in this image:

http://www.tundra.com/pics/diagrams/80C2000_TA001_01.gif

is it saying you can have Peripherial 1 + 2 + 3 OR PCI to PCI bridge at 66MHz? I'm asking because it looks like you could have both from the way it's drawn.

This could be interesting RAID solution. No idea how or if it would work but it does claim to be driverless by design.

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@opi

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Waste of what? Webspace?

No, time, like I said.

You're right though in that there isn't evidence of anything yet. Having a release date, even if it is just for a beta board, and then missing it doesn't look too great either. But it's not like we're spoilt for choice with AOnes almost impossible to come by I suppose we should give Troika some time.

Hyperion are facing the very real possibility of having OS4 finished and no hardware available to actually run it on. Which would be very disappointing.

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@opi
"I'll ask again. Do you, Troika, have licence from Amiga Inc?"

Going by the number of times no-one has been willing to give a straight answer to that (or any answer at all), and reading between the lines of some things said at the BB3, I'm now pretty certain that they do NOT have a license at all.

In fact, I'd go as far to suggest that the whole web-site announcement and "we will announce at BB3" thing was/is a big ploy to put pressure on Amiga Inc (and/or Eyetech) to give them a license - as presumably AI/Eyetech are being much more difficult than Troika (naively?) expected.

So, while I admit that the Troika board may well exist in some form, I'd place good odds on it never appearing - simply because they can't get a license to run OS4 on it (even though Hyperion seem to want OS4 running on it).

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@Herewegoagain

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Herewegoagain wrote: @Moxee http://www.tundra.com/Products/PowerPC/Tsi107/index.cfm I just used the pulldown menu from the side.

So There! Huh? I guess you got me on that one.

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