@agami

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I can't remember the last time they had so many AV, network and other technical issues.

I thought it ran pretty smoothly, and our new audio gear worked out well after some troubles early on. I'll review the YouTube streams to see if I missed something I could improve on for next year.

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Bill

@DiscreetFX

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DiscreetFX wrote: @agami What did you think of DiscreetFX’s compelling offer to AmiWest attendees?

Highlight of the show.

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@tekmage

I'd like to make it clear that my criticism of some parts does not in any way diminish my appreciation of all the hard work that goes into putting together such an event.
Logistics is an often undervalued domain, and I don't even want to think about what the scene would look like without torchbearers such as yourself.

Looking forward to seeing what you're cooking up for Amiga 40.

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@agami

I watched some of the streams and noticed the audio was significantly lower than what I was pushing into OBS and what I heard on my monitor headphones. There is an issue with Windows 10 and the audio levels transmitted by OBS when streaming. I verified the audio is great with the local recording, so it's an issue when it streams. I made a note to work on this for next year so we don't have the same problem.

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Bill "tekmage" Borsari

@Mimifan

Ah dont forget m68k Enhancer, promised ater V1, released only with A600GS
Octaned also,

Amiga has a lot of Voodoo for an US designed thang.

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@matthey

Amiga community is in dire state and at least mid aged. but I find description of US scene
extremely offensive.

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Amiga community is in dire state and at least mid aged. but I find description of US scene extremely offensive.

Why, because it is true?

There is this huge dichotomy between Trevor and the elitist classes and the reality for the masses. I think the following AmiWest video sums of the Trevor view.

Dickinson "Over-the-Shoulder" - Amiwest 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udtJpaowizU Quote:

Trevor: But it was interesting that I was looking around as I was doing the presentation and people seemed actually genuinely interested and I was really keen to get the message across because we have a number of people here that you know worked with the Amigas years ago were the original developers and they've no idea what they spawned right? Bill: Yes. Trevor: No idea and everyone thinks it's dead and it's all about court cases and legal things, it's not, it's about the community and what they are working on. Walking around the show the last couple of days there is room for another book. I'm not writing one right? Bill: You've said that many, many, many times. Trevor: There's so much... Bill: Right now, happening now... Trevor: Yeah, now, new, it's amazing. Bill: Yeah, it really is.

There is more banter about how good the Amiga situation is and how well the show has rebounded. Then they talk about how great the A1222+ is which I have time stamped in the video for the link below.

Dickinson "Over-the-Shoulder" - Amiwest 2024 (A1222+ talk)
https://youtu.be/udtJpaowizU?t=358

They make the A1222+ sound great. It's selling well according to Trevor and he already payed for another production run.

Then there is the contrast and it isn't just me. No. I believe it is the perspective of the masses.

https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=45316&forum=2&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0#873818 agami Quote:

Some drawbacks? The A1222+ is nothing but drawbacks.

Agami is more of an optimist than me and has even said he would like to attend the next AmiWest all the way from Australia despite the Amiga embarrassment. Some people would say I'm being too negative but am I? Let's look at posts on AtariAge as a response to RobertB posting a link to order the A1222+.

https://forums.atariage.com/topic/356329-ordering-the-a1222/ Arnuphis Quote:

$1700 for something that is outperformed by a $300 chromebook? What a colossal waste of money. Are there really people who think this is something they want to buy? I always though the whole point was to develop something low cost to run AmigaOS 4.1? Surely it's time to give up on this dead end architecture and port the OS to ARM and run it on a Raspberry Pi or equivalent? At least you may actually grow the user base that way. At the end of the day is it really still an Amiga? Or is it an overpriced emulator? Better results running MorphOS on an old PowerMac and way less expensive. The A1222+ expensive for nostalgia purposes. To limited to be taken seriously as a modern OS. I wonder why it's even a thing anymore. I Guess I am not the target market. Sorry for the rant. If this is something you grow excited about then more power to you. Personally I would get a real classic amiga/emulator for nostalgia fun and a real computer for serious tasks and still spend less than the asking price of this thing. ... For me an Amiga was the hardware. The custom chips and the design. It was revolutionary at the time. The OS was just the interface to bring it all home. So I don't view these new machines as true Amigas. If the OS makes the machine an Amiga then FPGA and Pi/Emulated setups are just as much an Amiga as the X5000, A1222+ are. And they are way less expensive. And yes. Having seen the 'modern' systems up and running they are too lacking to be taken seriously as a replacement for a Windows/Linux or Mac system. Even the enthusiasts I observe using them have to make way too many concessions to it's limitations from the moment they turn it on. This is what makes their price point so hard to accept. For me at least. It also makes me ask 'where are you going with this?'. So no, I will not be buying one of these. Like I refused to pay the price of an X5000. It would just be a useless doorstop full of buyers remorse. I would rather get a Mega65 and a Commander X16 and still have money left over. They at least know exactly what their purpose is. I wish someone would take the OS seriously, port it to ARM and make it open source like Linux. So at least people could use it without spending too much $$$. But if you know anything about Amiga history you know that will never happen for reasons too complex to go into here.

There were a few others that agreed with his points but Daedalus2097 refuted some of his points.

https://forums.atariage.com/topic/356329-ordering-the-a1222/ Arnuphis Quote:

Wow.. Triggered much? I guess we now know at least 1 person who is buying the A1222+ 😄 Let me try to respond to some of the things you said in your frenzied ramble. On 11/9/2023 at 3:14 PM, Daedalus2097 said: Quote: If you're expecting a hobbyist platform to be able to compete with any of the big three, you're only going to be disappointed. And anyone who tells you that a modern Amiga platform can is just deluded. But the thing is. Some people do. I have met them. At every show there is an attitude that it is a superior machine to other platforms. And yes they are deluded. On 11/9/2023 at 3:14 PM, Daedalus2097 said: Quote: Trying to compare to mainstream products is simply nonsense and shows a complete lack of understanding of the hobby aspect. You are wrong. It's being sold at a price point that matches and exceeds that of equivalent machines and people are trying to use it as a modern desktop replacement. Again, I have been to shows and demonstrations where people are trying to run modern application suites on it. So it has to be compared. On 11/9/2023 at 3:14 PM, Daedalus2097 said: Quote: Those people who spend thousands adding accelerators, graphics cards, faster I/O cards, all just to bypass the ancient limitations of the precious hardware... Are they doing it wrong, just because it's not to your taste? Or is a fully decked out A4000 not an Amiga any more? Now you are taking nonsense. There is a vast difference between someone keeping old hardware running with addons and a completely new machine with none of the original hardware. What point are you even trying to make here? calm down. On 11/9/2023 at 3:14 PM, Daedalus2097 said: Quote: *slow clap* Well done for standing up for your rights and refusing to pay that much money. But... You say "refuse" as if someone was trying to make you buy it, when nothing could be further from the truth. You really have to actively look for one to even know it exists, let alone try to buy one. It's obviously not a product for you, so why does it even concern you? What are you so worked up about? I really don't get your problem, in my mind it'd be like me getting worked up and ranting on the internet over the cost of a designer handbag, when my £30 rucksack does a far better job in every practical way. Because it was brought to my attention on a public forum? And I guess that the idea is to sell them? Heaven forbid that you want anyone else joining your little clique of fanatics obviously. You are the only one getting frantic and worked up on this thread at any criticism of your precious Amiga from potential new customers. Maybe you best retreat back to your safety bubble? On 11/9/2023 at 3:14 PM, Daedalus2097 said: Quote: You're giving totally mixed messages. For most of your rants you seem to be totally uninterested in anything other than the original Amiga hardware. Why do you want a modernised version of the OS then? There are also updates of the classic OS available (which incorporate several features backported from OS4 as it happens). And people like to wave this whole open-source thing around like it's a magic wand that will suddenly solve innumerable problems and somehow make Amiga OS viable again. But that's ridiculously optimistic at best, and probably closer to delusional. There's nowhere near the coderbase available for that sort of project. And besides, even if it did magically happen, what then? What software would you run? And why would you pick it over AROS? Brand loyalty? Why hasn't AROS taken the world by storm? Why aren't you just happily using AROS instead of moaning and ranting about Amiga OS? Or, on a smaller scale, look what happened when extremely popular pieces of software like DOpus 4 and DOpus 5 were open sourced... There were all these wonderful ideas about all the new features they'd gain, how they'd evolve continually and be used by every Amiga user every day... But what happened? We get 2 or 3 different versions of each scattered in various corners of the internet, all stagnated, each with different bugs and limitations and no consensus as to what should happen next. If the community who were so vocal about open-sourcing them can't pull together an update for a file manager, what hope does a whole OS have? Maybe because I would like to see it succeed? It's pretty obvious you don't. You would rather see the OS die on overpriced hardware that no one will buy in any number sufficient to grow the platform. Just as long as you and your shrinking circle of like-minded people feel special. So in closing a nice *slow clap* for you sir and your fossil thinking.

Arnuphis lives in Sacramento, California which is the location of the AmiWest show. He obviously likes the Amiga but does anyone think he went to the show? Does anyone not understand why the majority of Amiga users are passing on anything to do with the Amiga arrogance and elitism?

The masses will not eat expensive cake!

Amiwest Show 2024 photos from Bernie Innocenti have been posted. See

http://blog.retro-link.com/2024/11/amiwest-2024-photos-from-bernie-i.html

Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group - http://www.dickestel.com/fcug.htm
Southern California Commodore & Amiga Network - http://www.portcommodore.com/sccan

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@RobertB

Nice videos and pictures!

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A1200T plus 040 or 060 card plus mediator and Voodo or Radeon R200.
There is no SOC.

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@Mimifan

Seems Enhancer for m68k doesn't exist outside A600GS either

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More of my Amiwest 2024 photos have been posted. See

http://blog.retro-link.com/2024/11/more-amiwest-show-2024-photos.html

Truly,
Robert Bernardo
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Everyone seriously needs to stop feeding the Matthey TROLL.
FFS buddy you are seriously demented and negative and just can't keep your mouth shut can you?

Constant bitching about a retro hobby that has managed to stay alive for this long is ridiculous.
If you don't like it then go away but stop the incessant WHINING.

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Everyone seriously needs to stop feeding the Matthey TROLL. FFS buddy you are seriously demented and negative and just can't keep your mouth shut can you? Constant bitching about a retro hobby that has managed to stay alive for this long is ridiculous. If you don't like it then go away but stop the incessant WHINING.

I could go away like the majority of retro 68k Amiga fans that did not attend the AmiWest show but that is the problem. I deliberately chose to highlight the opinion and well written words of someone else. His initial post was more of a reaction than trolling criticism. Criticism can be painful but it can also be constructive.

@vox

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vox wrote: @BigD WormsDC was licenced in 1999 or so. |Way to go Hyperion!

You mean Worms Armaggedon!

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@matthey

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I could go away like the majority of retro 68k Amiga fans that did not attend the AmiWest show but that is the problem.

Yeah, I personally would do that rather than what you're doing!

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@RobertB

Thank you for the wonderful photos and videos. I really wished I didn't have to miss seeing everyone this year, but your efforts are the next best thing. Glad to see AmiWest 2024 was the usual good time.

-- eliyahu

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We missed you at the show!

Truly,
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I don't get involved nearly enough as I should, considering how much Amiga has been in my life since the early 90s. Being the 40th year next year, I will try and do at least 1 international event. Family, work, house, other hobbies all create a lot of Amiga contention!

Thanks for those who have shared photos, videos and talked about being there - reduces the FOMO to a tolerable level.

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