So I did debate about weather to post this, don’t want it to turn into a war of who should own what, but just wonder what everyone thinks of the situation.

We got
Amigakit, using the A600GS and A1200NG names and soon maybe A4000?

A1200.net, selling a1200/a500 cases and keyboards.

And of course, retro games ltd The A1200.

So firstly now is it fair game for anyone to use the A1200 trademark, just add a word too it. like for example let’s say A1200 Plus?

How come they’re not all suing each other (actually think it’s a good thing there not) over use of the name. Is it because the Amiga trademarks are so all over the place and be waste of time and money trying to prove who owns what.

Does any one really care any more, I personally think the community can/should be able to decide weather or not a device it is an Amiga or not.

If vampire or pistorm team came out and made the Pi - A1200 or Vamp - A12000 I think it should be allowed. Do you agree? Or do you think this could devalue the brand, I mean we might get a generic no effort Pc laptop with a Amiga emulator on it, call the A1200 mobile. I kinda trust the community can decide.

Plus I agree with cluster uk / Steve jones, Aros should be allowed to call it self Amiga Research OS and maybe we should just all start calling it that, weather or not it got the right to it or not?

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I think you missed one.

Amiga Corporation has been cleared for and is scheduled to publish A1200 in the gazette tomorrow.

Source uspto

As you likely know, publishing also signals the beginning of the objection period.

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AROS isn't Amiga Research Operating System... Even if it once was and they changed it due to not wanting to risk the legal implications... What AROS is now is strictly that, AROS. It's not AmigaOS, It's not MorphOS, it's AROS It's 64Bit, It's SMP, It's multi Architecture, It's more advanced in many way than either MorphOS or AmigaOS even if it's not as polished yet.

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It’s kinda funny, annoying, and sad, the one company (Amiga Corp) not making a A1200 system and putting the risk/funding into manufacturing and building a system/product and instead letting others do all the work and is just sitting back sub licensing to companies like retro games ltd, and A1200.net who got rights to use Amiga on its cases, is likely the company on paper who has the most rights to it.

Also I did just think if Amiga was a really big company still, I feel they even have a case against Raspberry Pi, as Pi500 is a all one computer, they now even sell a Pi500 Plus…I mean come on..A500 plus anyone, I’ve seen trademark disputes over less.

Likely in the future they might make the Pi600 and maybe even long way down the road they will get to Pi1200. they got to be stopped.

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We got Amigakit, using the A600GS and A1200NG names and soon maybe A4000?

This is because we have registered trademarks for A600, A1200 and A4000 for some years. We operate the brand websites A1200.com and A4000.com

Under trademark law, you need to use your brands to keep them active.

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So firstly now is it fair game for anyone to use the A1200 trademark, just add a word too it. like for example let’s say A1200 Plus?

No it does not work like that. Anyone using the A1200 trademark must be licenced to do so. We operate a licencing scheme for community developers who want to use our brands/trademarks.

We have heavily invested three years of development for the A600 GS and the A1200 NG. We have registered the A600 and A1200 marks many years prior to this. Without these marks, we would not have been confident to create these new products.

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Keep it up. IP litigation is doing wonders for the Amiga market! Defend your castle!

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Why are you trolling. I have noticed, thats all you ever do these days.

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I apologise, I accept that in your view you kept the unused trademarks safe against Spanish websites and 1200 Mbps WiFi router producers. The Blur quote was good though, right? No offense meant. You do you my friend.

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@BigD

Im sorry, your nuts.
You say sorry in one breath then go be sarcastic in next.

I'm sick and tired of people like you, banging on about trademarks, yet, spanish trademark, cloanto trademark, a1200.net trademark, Amiga addict trademark. Yet Amigakit gets all the crap.
Its obvious, you and others delibrately give Amigakit crap constantly. Its ok for every one else, but not Amigakit, FACT.

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I respect you, I respect the business you're working for and what you, Matthew and "the new guy" do for the community but the IP/trademark stuff all around has got to calm down! Just a statement and I have no desire to apportion out blame. Good day to you.

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@thread

As expected:

Letter Of Protest (LOP) Memorandum

The text is self explanatory.

Suspension letter

Sent to Amiga Corporation attorney as explanation of the above Protest Memorandum.

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Edit: replaced notification with explanation since that makes more sense

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Yet Amigakit gets all the crap

Can you imagine why?

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Anyone using the A1200 trademark must be licenced to do so

What about all those who's been using "A1200" for years and decades before you registered it? You are aware that Apple has models named A1200?

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@kolla

Many years ago we registered our unique A1200 logo in various countries across the world:

https://www.boip.int/en/trademarks-register?app=%2Fitem%2Fbx1383664

https://search.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/search/view/1972674?q=a1200

https://ceo.oepm.es/detalleExpediente?numExp=M4015869

This was a logo that no company had used before us. This is the logo we have used on our A1200 products for numerous years and more recently on the A1200 NG.

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Huh?
The logo that you directly copied exactly from another company has never been used by another company? (aka as per IanP's image)
That's some bizarre mental gymnastics.

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amigakit wrote: @kolla Many years ago we registered our unique A1200 logo in various countries across the world: ... This was a logo that no company had used before us. This is the logo we have used on our A1200 products for numerous years and more recently on the A1200 NG.

So you are saying anyone can bypass your trademark claim by simply using A1200 in a slightly different font? Allrightythen...

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If you compare the 2 side by side the fonts are different

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So you are saying anyone can bypass your trademark claim by simply using A1200 in a slightly different font?

Nah, that's not how it works.

I think the key point here is trademark and not product model. Unless I'm mistaken (and I might be), the "A1200" (or "A600" or..) was never a trademark, but it was a model number or product .. "Amiga", on the other hand, was a registered trademark for C=, as can be seen on many a written instance (eg, my physical RKRMs have it). In a cursory glance, nowhere in any literature I have from 1990s for my Ami has TM or Circle-R after the model names, only Amiga.

AmigaKit registered (successfully, legally) the term "A1200" and others as trademarks in various jurisdictions. I'm not getting into whether it's right or wrong, just pointing it out.

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amigang wrote: So I did debate about weather to post this, don’t want it to turn into a war of who should own what, but just wonder what everyone thinks of the situation. We got Amigakit, using the A600GS and A1200NG names and soon maybe A4000? A1200.net, selling a1200/a500 cases and keyboards. And of course, retro games ltd The A1200. So firstly now is it fair game for anyone to use the A1200 trademark, just add a word too it. like for example let’s say A1200 Plus? How come they’re not all suing each other (actually think it’s a good thing there not) over use of the name. Is it because the Amiga trademarks are so all over the place and be waste of time and money trying to prove who owns what.

The core weakness is the Amiga IP owner when Bill McEwen's Amiga Inc. is just "marketing". The same for Petro "marketing" Tyschtschenko's administration.

Bill McEwen couldn't even create the "Amiga Forever" package in-house.

Retro Games LTD's The A1200 product is an officially licensed Amiga IP from the Amiga IP owner.


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Does any one really care any more, I personally think the community can/should be able to decide weather or not a device it is an Amiga or not. If vampire or pistorm team came out and made the Pi - A1200 or Vamp - A12000 I think it should be allowed. Do you agree? Or do you think this could devalue the brand, I mean we might get a generic no effort Pc laptop with a Amiga emulator on it, call the A1200 mobile. I kinda trust the community can decide. Plus I agree with cluster uk / Steve jones, Aros should be allowed to call it self Amiga Research OS and maybe we should just all start calling it that, weather or not it got the right to it or not?

Digital Research Inc didn't name DR-DOS as MSR-DOS i.e. Microsoft Replacement Disk Operating System.

Commodore UK introduced the Commodore Amiga 1500 against Checkmate Digital's A1500.

Most PC clones had the first-party original PC OS provider i.e. Microsoft. Most PC clones avoid using the IBM's trademarks (unless they state compatibility) while still shipping with the first-party PC OS provider, Microsoft.

Microsoft's AT&T Unix port with MS extension was called Xenix. Under the SCO era, AT&T enforced the Unix brand over Xenix on Unix port licensees and tightened up the commercial Unix standard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenServer

AT&T said "If they want to call it Unix, they've got to use it the way it is. We don't want another set of variants"


Windows NT (with POSIX subsystem)'s existence and main use case are about Microsoft's direction away from AT&T's Unix direction.

NextSTEP was not labeled as "Unix".

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