So with this thought excise I want people to really think, what they would really want, maybe also have one an actually realistic product that you think could be delivered for the market of our size and then progressly get more crazy.

Realistic product . 1
A new A1200 usb keyboard, that could both fit old Classic Amiga, like the A1200 case & A500 case and also be a USB keyboard.

Maybe Product idea 2
AmigaOS 4.1 FE Emulation Edition, a version that been slightly optimised for emulation purposes and emulator that be easy to set up.

Maybe Project idea 3
Pistorm PPC Edition, a Pi4 can run PPC G3 800Mhz emulation, so why not instead of 68k done by the Pi, why not have it do PPC. I guess it be a lot of work.

Fantasy Project idea 4
Up to date Amiga web browser that could run on 68K/PPC and be kept up todate. Amiga app store where all apps and programs, sound tracks, anything digital could be found and downloaded / bought.

Fantasy Project idea 5
Amiga Fantasy Case, and keyboard all in one complete setup that could run, Amikit, Amibench, AmigaOs3, AmigaOs4, Aros, and even MorpthOS weather it was all done via Emulation/FPGA or natively it be dam cool.

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amigang wrote: Fantasy Project idea 4 Up to date Amiga web browser that could run on 68K/PPC and be kept up todate. Amiga app store where all apps and programs, sound tracks, anything digital could be found and downloaded / bought.

If Project idea 4 is a fantasy, then we are already doomed.

Also, define 'Realistic'. I happen to think that a somewhat up-to-date web browser that can work on PiStorm/Apollo is actually more doable than any of your 'Maybe Product/Project' ideas.

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Realistic product . 1 A new A1200 usb keyboard, that could both fit old Classic Amiga, like the A1200 case & A500 case and also be a USB keyboard.

Yup, 100%.

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Maybe Project idea 3 Pistorm PPC Edition, a Pi4 can run PPC G3 800Mhz emulation, so why not instead of 68k done by the Pi, why not have it do PPC. I guess it be a lot of work.

You can in principle do this already with qemu-ppc on the Raspberry Pi, just needs to be "hooked up" to the GPIO pins like Musashi has been (and I actually think it would be a cool project to try out, also with qemu-m68k). However, I suspect you want something akin to Emu68, like an EmuPPC, and that is of course a lot more work. OS4 also has requirements than OS3 when it comes to the CPU, for example unlike OS3, OS4 needs the MMU, and fast JIT emulation with MMU is something not done easily. So if Michal dabbles with the idea of PowerPC emulation, I think it would rather be in the context of Emu68+PPC for use with WarpUP, and probably not for OS4.

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Fantasy Project idea 4 Up to date Amiga web browser

Let's just stop right there. The main problem here is that the Amiga operating systems don't have the foundation and building blocks in place for a "up to day" web browser...

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Amiga app store where all apps and programs, sound tracks, anything digital could be found and downloaded / bought.

... which is one if the reasons why AmigaKit uses Linux as foundation for its operating system, to make this possible.

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Fantasy Project idea 5 Amiga Fantasy Case, and keyboard all in one complete setup that could run, Amikit, Amibench, AmigaOs3, AmigaOs4, Aros, and even MorpthOS weather it was all done via Emulation/FPGA or natively it be dam cool.

This I would say already exists, it's called RaspberryPi 500.

But perhaps you wish something more akin to existing Amiga A1200, more like the mockup I did in the keyboard proposal thread? :)

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I happen to think that a somewhat up-to-date web browser that can work on PiStorm/Apollo is actually more doable than any of your 'Maybe Product/Project' ideas.

Define "somewhat up-to-date".

The closest you'll get is something "scaled down", and we already have a port of NetSurf, which apparently barely anyone use.

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If Project idea 4 is a fantasy, then we are already doomed.

Well I was thinking more like Timberwolf scale project, it was amazing that a Firefox port happened, but its pretty clear that you needed a dedicated dev to work on it full time, keeping the port up to date. Plus Im also thinking a browser that can do these online apps, like Google Doc, Photopea etc. and be usable on 68K platform would require a lot more work.

This is why unfortunately unless the community could fund that person say $30k a year I dont see it happening.

Now saying that dont get me wrong there are some interesting solution to this problem, AmiFOX is pretty clever. But there is a issue of security and I wound'nt let say want to do shopping on it or log into my Bank.

I hope Im proven wrong and some kind solution to the browser question can be answered, but project like AmiFox, or Browservice or Rabbit Hole kind of solution are too me the only likely outcome.

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cheap FPGA Amiga clone with graphics on PS1 level
with 68k and risc (other than arm and riscv) core
with PS2 connector for mouse and keyboard
with PS pad connector
with CF card connector
with Ethernet connector


nice tiny fast with everything what is really important like other cpu than pc
and nice fast easy to use graphics

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cheap FPGA Amiga clone with graphics on PS1 level

You mean... like pocketstorm?

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I wrote with out arm and riscv

nice cheap fpga amiga clone with cheap interfaces for kb/mouse/pad
with network cf card
with 68k and some old style big endian risc
with 3d graphics at ps1 level

@ppcamiga1

so if I understood you right, you're saying pistorm doesn't work in big endian mode, nor has network, 3d graphics and cheap interfaces for kb/mouse/pad? Got that right?

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it is simple
nice cheap amiga fpga clone without arm

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I already know it is simple, but that wasn't what I asked.

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Personally I'd like to see Amigaforever made available on steam, with downloadable game packs made available for it.

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Fantasy Project idea 5

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> Maybe Product idea 2
> AmigaOS 4.1 FE Emulation Edition, a version that been slightly optimised for emulation
> purposes and emulator that be easy to set up.

Idea 2 isn't necessary because AOS4.1_FE is best emulated already. Apart from the graphics emulation which is in the works as I read.

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kolla wrote: @agami Define "somewhat up-to-date".

Odyssey/OWB port. It would be extra nice on PiStorm if there were some ARM native datatypes to render media.

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Odyssey/OWB port.

Oh, so updated 10 years ago is “somewhat up-to-date� now? OK! :)

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It would be extra nice on PiStorm if there were some ARM native datatypes to render media.

Media rendering is the least of worries.

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there is a software that can be used like "amifox", a proxy http and transcoder server, selfhosted so "secure" for passwords. somebody tell me he do surf discord on amiga with it.... when i would find it now...

Browservice was the name ! i did not get it work on my network but maybe can get it running.

edit: another one i found -> github.com/tenox7/wrp/releases/ this works at me under OS3x think Browservice was for OS4 .... well try around but i'm happy with tenox7 now. very fast becouse local host

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So the only real idea that would be nice is to be able to have a modern web browser on Os4.1 fe that atleast allows youtube, facebook, or worse still, the allowance of buying from the amisphere store using an ACTUAL amiga instead of needing to use two computers to get that task done........

Emulators we have plenty and spoiled for choice, not sure what advantage there is for more? Os4 wise there's two that come to mine, QEMU and FLOWERPOT

New a1200 keyboard really????? Why???? There are so many options for everyone but A1000 users, literally.....Every time I go to search for keyboard all I read is a1200 or a500 already
Try a google search "Amiga usb Keyboard" What comes up is by memory simulatrans, of whom are still selling mechanical usb keyboards as a secondary option for (technically all Amigas if one buys an adapter)

Your last idea, fantasy idea, isnt really needed to be all in one case??? But someone could pull it off if we are talking Emulation for most of those lsited (albeit not MorphOS I dont think)
THe only advantage of your last idea would be this

Many of us would probably consider obtaining such a unit, chuck in what we wish, x86, Pi, Arm, PowerPC, and then use it for intended purposes.
The odds of someone wanting all those Operating systems in the one unit may be slimmer than you think if they are an Actual Amiga person,
If we talking newcomers, then yeah, thatd be a pretty cool unit, theyd get to atleast experience somewhat an Amiga in various forms, problem would arise, they would potentially get a false impression versus someone who owns a PPC or 68k system and using the Operating system on that,

EDIT (Actually this could be a neat unit, Commodore OS on it for thoe host (linux based yes I know anyhow) and then emulate all the others that are able to be emulated via Linux) (End EDIT)

I would know, I have AmiKit/flowerpot, I do like AmiKit, but still appreciate far more the value of Amiga OS3.2.2 or Amiga os4.1fe or MorphOS on its own hardware and it actually booting into respective Operating System......
The value of AmiKit comes in only for the ease of being able to utilise a laptop, do some practice programming in my case, others may use it for graphics, games, whatever, albeit I have tried some games Ive installed (Nemac IV - works) but in the long run, I can only see the main advantage of your idea being a nice new case, styled in the Amiga of old like a500, a1200, and placing x86 / ppc / pi / motherboards into it, user depending ofcourse.


In the end the MAIN WISH FOR MANY would be a fresh AMIGA WEB BROWSER ON amiga os 4.1fe

For 68k is doing better than os4, AmiFox and AmiGemini come to mind, I use the latter with my retro gear, perfect, no jargon or BS for a system that only has 512k chip and 8mb fast.

I suspect MorphOS is my goto if wanting to utilise a WebBrowser via an Amiga computer effectively, but alas, I prefer using Amiga OS4.1fe the feel of the Operating System for me I prefer, but yet I backed up and supported both as I bought a full license MorphOS.

Anyhow, what a long essay to say, out of all your ideas, both the fantasy ones make more sense to try and make them become reality, it is embarassing showing a friend OS4.1fe, only to then warn them the web browsing isnt that good, after they take a liking to how the OS runs in general, LOL,

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ppcamiga1 wrote: @pixie I wrote with out arm and riscv nice cheap fpga amiga clone with cheap interfaces for kb/mouse/pad with network cf card with 68k and some old style big endian risc with 3d graphics at ps1 level

ARMv8 still has "big endian" mode.

https://www.servethehome.com/hpe-proliant-rl300-gen11-review-an-ampere-altra-max-arm-server/
HP Enterprise has ProLiant RL300 Gen11 which has up to 128 ARM cores per socket via Ampere Altra and Altra Max ARM-based processors. This directly replaces HP PA-RISC and HP Itanium-based servers.

Ampere Altra is a licensed ARM Neoverse N1 which is derived from Cortex-A76.

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