@HammerD

I'm sure he came here because of the X1000 announcement and now is saving up for it ..the way I see it is we gained a first time user to the community that wanted to experience a classic Amiga before getting a NG system

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@klx300r

oh well, his A4000 is gone. It only took a day!!!
I'd buy it if I had the funds.

@ALL

Many of you are right on the mark. I have moved on to X1000 mode and decided to start selling some of the items I have found don’t fit my needs and getting ready for this summer of X1000 fun. . More on that in a few....

@Scuzz
Not sure of your intent in your email but to me, it came across VERY rude. If that was your goal, you are mark on. I know myself, I try to never post rude messages on public forums at someone else’s expense as I very well know I don’t have the complete story on the situation at hand. I have no clue what this person has or is going through and it is not fair to them to call them out or make remarks like you did directed at me. Although I owe you zero response, I figure I would offer a quick note. Wife and I have been married 20 years, together 23 years, and this last Christmas Eve we received some devastating news. Then in January that news became reality and we experienced a great loss. Then just 2 to 3 weeks later another, although a bit unexpected, loss. And even today, we have a 3rd issue that all stems back to these loses that appears will be with us for a very long time and can rear it’s ugly head at any moment. So, for my wife and I, end of last year until present we have had a tuff time. Even certain commercials on TV or things in movies set off those emotions and we find ourselves living it all over again. So, what I did during this time was turn to something to take my mind off it all even though just for minutes of every day. That was getting into Amiga and other old computer platforms and rekindling the fun of computing. I had a choice to pouring my hard earned $$ into a new Mac Pro or spend even more on some old computers but ones that would bring a little joy into my heart and help take my mind off of things less happy. So, I started collecting all sorts of Amigas these last 3 months to see what worked for me. It all started with that X1000 announcement and I started to explore the Amiga, a computer platform I never owned. I fell in partial love with the whole early Amiga story and the A1000. So, I purchased one and then kept collecting. It kept my brain occupied and I have been having “mostly” lots of fun. Now that we are getting close to summer, I have had enough time to see what I really like and what I can be without. Believe it or not, the A1000, to me, is the best Amiga made. I love the story behind it, the excitement it had, and feel the A1000 was a great piece of engineering. Now, don’t get me wrong, the other Amigas I purchased all have their nice points and the A4000T is one cool system, but I feel after the A1000, the Amiga systems lost something and I just don’t feel that connection with them like the A1000. The rest just seem like computers without that same heart. Maybe they do for others but for me they don’t. So, I decided to sell what does not work for me and start saving for the X1000. Did you notice I don't have the A1000 for sale. That is a keeper. I think it will make a great word processing machine and to play old games on.

Anyway, sorry if I am reading your message wrong but to me, it seemed very rude and you just don’t have a clue on my whole picture and even with the little bit above, still will not but be aware, each one of us has a story that maybe you don’t realize what that is.


@All
I am still VERY excited about Amiga. I digg my A1000. I also have been enjoying my A500, CD32, and A4000T. I had to weigh things out and for me, even though the A4000T has great potential, I actually prefer the A1000. Just something about it even though it is such a less powerful system. If I had lots of extra $$ I would keep the A4000T but I think I need to move on and get prepared for the X1000. I am still learning as I go and the Amiga hunting I am still doing is continuing to help me through some tuff times we have had early this year and that I am thankful. I feel the X1000, for whatever reason, will have that same heart and story the A1000 had and I am hoping it will be a good fit for me VERY soon.

Sorry for the long message but I needed to let a little out. hehehe

tj

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@MacSociety

First, there's always people who don't understand (or don't want to understand) decisions taken by others. Some even react rather rude on those decisions.

I had to let go of my A4000T a few years a go, bad finances forced me to sell it. It took quite some time to take the decision but at the end of the day, what really counts, is that you're able to feed the people you're responsible for.

With the rocky start you had on the A4000T I can imagine you take more fun out of the A1000. The A4000T really is a hand-full to maintain. Been there, done it, not always liked it. But back then, it was my main machine so I had to hang in. Learned to cope with its imperfections. Now you've got the beast up and running I can imagine you want to sell it to a true Amiga fan who wants a working beast like this. The X1000 promises to be a good spent of money but I don't think you must expect a simple usage as you're experiencing with the A1000. Said that, don't let it discourage you to get your hands on the X1000 as soon as it is available. It would be a nice and welcome journey into the future.

Don't get too upset by emotions expressed by others, plan your own route and follow it.

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I happy that you find some thing that works for you, and I hope to see you as a new X1000 owner soon.

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Normally stuff on the Internet does not faze me but I guess I am a bit more emotional right now so needed to, I think somewhat nicely, let @Scuzz know how I felt. I have been in the Internet as we know it today since the early 90s so I know what to expect. It is another day now and I am quickly forgetting those messages and moving on. I am sure @Scuzz is a decent person and I have no "real" issues with him. In fact, nice to see someone that has a genuine love for their computer as it appears he does and sounds very loyal to the Amiga platform. I am as well with things I do in life including computers. I am that way with Apple but I like to explore and the Amiga seems to be the destination I want to adventure to.

As for the X1000, I am not sure what to expect but I don't mind a challenge at all. Just in the last 3 months I purchased and created a neat little Apple Color Classic system that actually gets on the Internet, browses the web, does email, and have it networked to my Macbook Air via a router and also even sees my Mac G4 Cube that is wireless upstairs. For anyone that knows these old early 90s Classic Macs, that takes a bit or work, patience, and all that fun stuff. Even tore down a somewhat rare Apple CD and have that running on the little guy. All it would do is allow the CD to be inserted and it spit the CD out. I tore it down, clean the boards and connectors, opened the CD unit and really cleaned the laser lense, and put her all back together again. That was fun! And walla.... it works again.

Here she is:

http://gallery.me.com/macsociety/100146/DSCF3604/web.jpg

Anyway, I like to get my hands dirty inside and outside and like challenges (most of the time hehehe). So, I think the X1000, since I am coming in at ground level, will be good for me. We will see if she is a fit and I hope it will be. Then I can say I will be a life-long Amiga addict.

As for the A1000 compared to A4000T. Really kind of hard to do that as the A4000T is so much more of a computer. I just prefer the thoughts and art that the original Amiga team put into the A1000. Along the way I am not so sure that art and love stayed with newer models.

I think maybe the X1000 might get some of that love and art but too soon to know for sure.

Anyway, this thread has been fun and a mostly very positive one and I plan on keeping it just that.




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@MacSociety

I guess you don't curse a lot, given that your "cussin jar" is filled with stationary :)

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Karlos wrote: @MacSociety I guess you don't curse a lot, given that your "cussin jar" is filled with stationary :)

When I work on my aircooled VWs, I sure do. So, the jar in my shop is VERY full.



tj

@MacSociety

And here I was thinking it was a cunning plan to prevent the most common curse at a desk, "where did I put that ****ing pen?"

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@MacSociety

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I'll print it again.... [ quote ]

I have been watching this guy with interest and wondering if he got the bug of collecting Amigas for their uniqueness, or used the whole process to make himself feel special for a while... Either way it looks like the kit is back out into the system and again at risk before finding safe hands. Computers like these need good homes...

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I only watch the plight of Amigas. And I was honest. And I see no issue with feeling special collecting Amigas. I was very hopeful that you would keep the gear together as you seemed genuine in your interest. As to your personal problems, sorry, we all have problems. For me I divorce myself from such things. I come to this forum, rarely now, simply to monitor classic Amiga activity. Your activities interested me. They no longer do... That is not rude it's a simple fact. I am only interested in the Amigas and what happens to them. I also have tried to stimulate folk into keeping valuable collections and kit together.

No idea why you read so much into a simple statement. I guess folk read into what they read what they want it to read.

Anyway, I do wish you all the best. And good luck in what ever you do. I may buy on Ebay but I never sell anything.... I did check by the way.

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@scuzz

I guess we are just polar opposites then as I am more interested in the people that use their old systems and what makes them tick and what they do in this world to keep old systems running.

So, I am happily living along using my old 1980s/90s computers and learning every day how useful they are. My A1000 that has been unused for many many years by the previous owner now sees weekly use at my home along with a NeXTcube from the late 1980s, a NeXTstation, and an old Color Classic. All systems that have sat for years and years but yet at my home get used every week for some purpose.

Have a nice one keeping your old computers going. Not sure if you actually use yours all the time or just a collection keeping them from harms way. I know for at least mine, they actually get used and not just saved and kept in boxes or shown off that I own X amount.

Sorry you are no longer interested in my Amiga adventure but that is fine. My adventure will include the actual use of the original Amiga, the A1000, and for that, I am thankful I have finally seen what an classic Amiga can still do for me today.

And my 1960s VWs also salutes you for keeping classics in use to even this day.

tj

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So, regarding the A4000T, I am wondering some things now that I have got to use one for a bit and can see some of what it was all about.

Back in the 90s, who was this A4000T marketed to? Was Commodore when they designed it and then Amiga Tech afterwards pushing in certain markets?

The one thing I find odd about it was lack of networking out of the box. Maybe I am missing something during my short time using it but of course the stock motherboard has no network port on it so my guess a ethernet card was used but I wonder if back in the 90s if the ready to use models came with networking as part of the package.

I skimmed all my manuals and found nothing about networking. I figured this A4000T would have been pushed in the business and video markets. Therefore, I thought networking would have been critical and included. Mid 90s networking was pretty standard stuff so not having it stock on the system I found odd is all unless like I said, whomever sold these they automatically installed some networking card for the buyer.

Or was the A4000T really a "build it yourself" design from the beginning and not a ready to use out of the box system.

Just curious is all. Heck my old Macs at least had slow AppleTalk on systems much older than the A4000T. Did Amiga have AmigaTALK.


tj

@MacSociety
I would really consider keeping at least one aga based amiga if i were you.
The a4000 would for example be a good use as a classing gaming machine using whdload. This is something you cannot do with the a1000. There is also plenty of good AGA games that wont run on pre aga machines.

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Mid 90s networking was pretty standard stuff so not having it stock on the system I found odd is all unless like I said, whomever sold these they automatically installed some networking card for the buyer.

My family bought a brand new pc in mid 90s and it also did not come with any kind of networking. Everyone else i knew who had pc back then did not have network cards either.
I think network cards only really was standard by the end of 90s.

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Tomas wrote: @MacSociety I would really consider keeping at least one aga based amiga if i were you. The a4000 would for example be a good use as a classing gaming machine using whdload. This is something you cannot do with the a1000. There is also plenty of good AGA games that wont run on pre aga machines. Quote: Mid 90s networking was pretty standard stuff so not having it stock on the system I found odd is all unless like I said, whomever sold these they automatically installed some networking card for the buyer. My family bought a brand new pc in mid 90s and it also did not come with any kind of networking. Everyone else i knew who had pc back then did not have network cards either. I think network cards only really was standard by the end of 90s.

I have decided to keep my CD32. I believe that is a A1200. Just need to score a SX1, SX2, or SX32.

I figured at this point, the A1000 will get me through some fun original and more basic stuff, plus it is one damn classy system. Have it in my main work office and I actually been using it almost every day. Got a box off old floppies and it is like christmas running all these old games and apps.

Then will keep my Amiga CD32 that is brand new and have fun with it. If I can score an old CD32 expansion then I can continue exploring the older Amiga OS past the 1.3 that is on the A1000. Plus have more games and such. Figure the 1200 seems to be a VERY popular Amiga for everyone. So, the CD32 is another keeper. I had it for sale but quickly have had 2nd thoughts and pulled it back.

Then when the time comes, the X1000 will round out my systems. Collecting stuff is fun but I HATE things stuck in boxes staying pristine and never used. I am not into trailer queens as they say in the car world. I like to keep my equipment VERY clean and scratch fee as best I can but I am not into babying it and not using it. So, I can't see having just too many computers where they become never used art pieces. I try to find a purpose for each system where they are used all the time.

Which makes me ask... how many computers do you all juggle? I can happily use to what I feel the fullest up to maybe 7-10 systems at the home. Anymore than that I think they would not get used enough to warrant having them and I would rather sell them to someone that will love and enjoy them daily.

As for networking, I guess I was thinking on the Mac side since I was never into PCs. Macs have always had AppleTALK so networking was in the box, to "some" degree. My NeXT have stock ethernet ports also and they are late 80s. NeXT was ahead of their time in my humble opinion on networking and Internet connectivity.

tj

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@MacSociety

The T has a serial port on the back. We would plug a 56K modem into this port & use Miami for the stack. Turn the modem on, start Miami & dial out. Dialup was the common way to the internet, broadband has now replaced dialup for most ppl.

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@MacSociety

Glad to see you're still with us! Selling the A4000T was IMO a good idea so as to make funds available for the X1000.

It's true that Classic Amigas never shipped with Ethernet. You always had to get Etheret cards and they were -- and still are -- not cheap. Networking has never been an Amiga strong suit, though it's possible for Classic Amigas to network with PCs via null modem cable. Networking with Macs has always been more of a problem. BTW, congrats on getting the Color Classic up, running, CD-equipped and online! It was cool seeing that little sucker with a browser window open, though I can't help wondering about your page-loading speeds.

The A4000T was definitely not a kit computer, it was supposed to work right out of the box. The primary business users in those days were video people. The A4000T had a big advantage over the A4000D in having 2 video slots instead of one. That way, you could have a Toaster in one slot and a 24-bit card in another. You also didn't have to worry about the video slot being right over the RAM as it is in the A4000D. But it's also true that in those days there were a lot of Toaster shops, so a significant percentage of big-box Amiga users would have bought their machines through the shop, and would never see it until it had been set up as a Toaster box by the on site techs.

Glad you're having fun with the A1000. IMO, the A4000T had plenty of heart and soul, too. Natch, that was my first Amiga, so I have a special fondness for it. Also, mine . . . worked right out of the box.

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BTW, congrats on getting the Color Classic up, running, CD-equipped and online! It was cool seeing that little sucker with a browser window open, though I can't help wondering about your page-loading speeds.

Like pulling teeth! It is painful as we are so used to fast web browsing but hey, it works. It gets real jammed on modern web pages but can handle up to Netscape 4.x at the moment. I upgraded my CC also from the stock 10MB maxed 68030 at 16MHz to the 36MB capable 32MHz 68030. So, it is considered a Color Classic II now. I wish I could find a 68040 update for it but for now, this little guy makes for a nice word processing, play a few old games, networked, office system.

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by sundown on 31-Jan-2010 23:01:32 @MacSociety There are adaptors for 3.5" drives. The "T" has a rail inside that drive can be mounted on & it makes no sense to use an external type bay for a HD. Stick to the modern 3.5" drives. That 4.3Gb 3.5" drive should work just fine.

Adaptors available, recommend using standard 3.5" instead of T-drive bays; external type bay not needed for HDs like your mentioned model.

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The Amiga Society forum member is inquiring about the resolution capabilities of their A4000T's stock RGB port when connected to an A1080 or A1084 monitor. They are also asking if double-scanning and flicker fixers come standard with this setup, aiming for clear video output until they can upgrade both the card and screen later on.

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by EmperorLongo on 29-Jan-2010 20:31:35 @MacSociety That's great news about the A4KTs. If I get rich, I'll buy one. I have no problem with an A4K '040. I had two PowerTower A4K '040 machines and they were really nice. For economic reasons I had to sell all those great Amigas, otherwise I'd still have one of those PowerTowers and I'd be searching for an '060 accelerator. Your reasons for getting into the Amiga scene vs. NeXT or Atari make perfect sense to me. You may even find that old versions of iBrowse, AWeb and Voyager, despite being obsolete, are still useful, and very quick, on many web sites. And with OS 4.x you get OWB, which is very nice on…

EmperorLongo appreciates MacSociety's interest in A4KT machines and acknowledges their own past ownership of PowerTower models, as well as other classic Amigas like the A2000 and Milan. He compares different systems based on features such as screen size, case design, performance (CPU speed), storage options, expansion capabilities, software availability, portability, price range, resale value, community support, hardware compatibility with MorphOS, project development potentials like the Atari Coldfire Project and A1200 models. He also mentions his current savings goal for acquiring newer Amiga systems such as X1000 or SAM but is open