i ask michael personaly there will be no OS4 under PiStorm it is only Warp PowerPC. it could only possible to run MOS (if there is someone who make the correct drivers) so it will support at begin like nothing?!?

Wrong direction for me, why he want to please purists with PPC ? They hate Emu68 right now and see it as Emulation. He talks about "dont want to split the Amiga com" do he life in reality ? There is already a big Split and all that see ARM as the Amiga Future will now feel stupid, as he state that there will no ARM specify Code. That we all wish for !

He works directly against all efforts, instead make all the emu68 features real like Ethernet, Stable Wifi and USB Support. Now just comes PPC nobody asked for only to wish the old Problems away.

First a stable 68k then something other would be the better way !

Out the Dream of Youtube, ARM HW Encoding MP4 Video only for a PPC Warp thing. I mean anybody have any use for this?

Oh my,.....

I have some oranges and Im also very angry that no matter how hard I squeeze I cant get apple juice out of them. I want apple juice dagnamit. Buying apples is a ridiculous notion... much more rational and sane to complain the oranges dont provide apple juice...
The only logical option I have is to denounce the efforts of the orange growers and infer that everyone feels the same and to ignore what it is that is the purpose of the oranges in the 1st place. After all *I* wanted apple juice.
Of course I'll point blank ignore any technical or potential legal reasons too. And the fact seeds to produce what I want myself are available.

Last edited by fishy_fis on 26-Oct-2025 at 01:07 AM.

@manga303

Can you imagine that he might want it?

Also I think your the purist, you wont accept nothing but 680x0, there are people who think AGA is not Amiga, only OCS is.. its kind of pointless...

and, if you want ARM or x86, x64 or something else, there is versions of AROS that supports that... so why don't you use that?

Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 26-Oct-2025 at 01:32 AM.
Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 26-Oct-2025 at 01:25 AM.

_________________
http://lifeofliveforit.blogspot.no/
Facebook::LiveForIt Software for AmigaOS

@manga303

For a lot of people it is the right direction.

EmuPPC will be more efficient/faster as PPC is easier to emulate by a ARM than a 68k. Mandelbrot test calculation runs nearly 50% paster than 68k.

As to OS4 vs. MOS this was *not* against OS4, it was against EITHER.

Michal told me "I keep out of the political stuff of OS4 and MOS".

Nobody "feels stupid". It is definitely a big advantage to get more PPC Targets. Also for highend games (for myselves) it is a big advantage. If a game requires "at minimum PiStorm anyways" I can just do a OS4/WarpOS version instead of OS4/WarpOS/68k which is MUCH EASIER to do (no compiler/optimizer/linkerlib issues - I can go with the much better PPC compiler tools. Only for games which are more lowend (but those usually do not have such big compiler tools issues on 68k like the big games) I need to do 68k then.

I also think it will be refreshing as it will show purists like you that it is all bullshit what they believed and that we are all in Amiga together instead

Last edited by MagicSN on 26-Oct-2025 at 02:53 PM.

@manga303

emu68 is open source. Michal does what he likes to do. He is supported by patreon and perhaps users like it or not. Nobody should judge it if it is wise or not

@manga303

Quote:

manga303 wrote: They hate Emu68 right now and see it as Emulation

Well I'm not surprised by that because it emulates the 68K CPU.....

What he is doing will have no negative impact on you so don't know why you seem to be getting so het up over it :-/

_________________
Live Long and keep Amigaing!

A1200, Power Tower, TF1260 128MB RAM, 68060 Rev 6, OS3.9 BB2, HD-Floppy, Mediator TX+ PCI, Voodoo 3 3000, Soundblaster 4.1, TV Card, Spider USB, 100MBit Ethernet, 16GB CF HD, 52xCDRom.

@Amiboy

Quote:

Well I'm not surprised by that because it emulates the 68K CPU.....

technical its recompilation, but yeh... the re-compiler is software, so it can be changed.
it does things to make look like its a real CPU, from a hardware point of view.

and does a little bit more.

Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 26-Oct-2025 at 10:13 PM.

_________________
http://lifeofliveforit.blogspot.no/
Facebook::LiveForIt Software for AmigaOS

@MagicSN

Quote:

MagicSN wrote: @manga303 For a lot of people it is the right direction.

Define a lot. NXP/Freescale PPC (e.g. PPC e5500/e6500) didn't have "value vs performance".

The end goal of EmuPPC wouldn't result in a competitive PPC hardware since it's a dead end for a mainstream game console in the price range of A500/A1200.

Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony rejected IBM PPC since they are not competitive on the "value vs performance".

Nintendo's Switch 1's quad-core ARM Cortex A57 up to 1785 MHz (1) and Switch 2's octa-core ARM Cortex A78C (2) are the minimum for mainstream gaming devices.

1. Slightly exceeded by RPi 4B/CM4's ARM Cortex A72 on an individual CPU core basis.
2. Near RPi 5's ARM Cortex A76 on an individual CPU core basis.

Quote:

EmuPPC will be more efficient/faster as PPC is easier to emulate by a ARM than a 68k. Mandelbrot test calculation runs nearly 50% paster than 68k.

EmuPPC via WarpOS (with 68K AmigaOS 3.x) can have access to PPC ISA's FMA and AltiVec instructions (e.g. https://aminet.net/package/driver/other/SonnetLibrary) that can be remapped into AArach64 ISA equivalent.


I have access to AmigaOS 4.1 FE Update 3 (soft A4000/CyberStorm PPC/1.2 GB RAM/GREX/Voodoo 3 PCI/) and AmigaOS 3.9 (CaffeineOS, mirrors my PiStorm/PiStorm32 setups) via WinUAE 6.01.

Last edited by Hammer on 27-Oct-2025 at 12:38 AM.

_________________