i ask michael personaly there will be no OS4 under PiStorm it is only Warp PowerPC. it could only possible to run MOS (if there is someone who make the correct drivers) so it will support at begin like nothing?!?

Wrong direction for me, why he want to please purists with PPC ? They hate Emu68 right now and see it as Emulation. He talks about "dont want to split the Amiga com" do he life in reality ? There is already a big Split and all that see ARM as the Amiga Future will now feel stupid, as he state that there will no ARM specify Code. That we all wish for !

He works directly against all efforts, instead make all the emu68 features real like Ethernet, Stable Wifi and USB Support. Now just comes PPC nobody asked for only to wish the old Problems away.

First a stable 68k then something other would be the better way !

Out the Dream of Youtube, ARM HW Encoding MP4 Video only for a PPC Warp thing. I mean anybody have any use for this?

Oh my,.....

I have some oranges and Im also very angry that no matter how hard I squeeze I cant get apple juice out of them. I want apple juice dagnamit. Buying apples is a ridiculous notion... much more rational and sane to complain the oranges dont provide apple juice...
The only logical option I have is to denounce the efforts of the orange growers and infer that everyone feels the same and to ignore what it is that is the purpose of the oranges in the 1st place. After all *I* wanted apple juice.
Of course I'll point blank ignore any technical or potential legal reasons too. And the fact seeds to produce what I want myself are available.

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@manga303

Can you imagine that he might want it?

Also I think your the purist, you wont accept nothing but 680x0, there are people who think AGA is not Amiga, only OCS is.. its kind of pointless...

and, if you want ARM or x86, x64 or something else, there is versions of AROS that supports that... so why don't you use that?

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@manga303

For a lot of people it is the right direction.

EmuPPC will be more efficient/faster as PPC is easier to emulate by a ARM than a 68k. Mandelbrot test calculation runs nearly 50% paster than 68k.

As to OS4 vs. MOS this was *not* against OS4, it was against EITHER.

Michal told me "I keep out of the political stuff of OS4 and MOS".

Nobody "feels stupid". It is definitely a big advantage to get more PPC Targets. Also for highend games (for myselves) it is a big advantage. If a game requires "at minimum PiStorm anyways" I can just do a OS4/WarpOS version instead of OS4/WarpOS/68k which is MUCH EASIER to do (no compiler/optimizer/linkerlib issues - I can go with the much better PPC compiler tools. Only for games which are more lowend (but those usually do not have such big compiler tools issues on 68k like the big games) I need to do 68k then.

I also think it will be refreshing as it will show purists like you that it is all bullshit what they believed and that we are all in Amiga together instead

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@manga303

emu68 is open source. Michal does what he likes to do. He is supported by patreon and perhaps users like it or not. Nobody should judge it if it is wise or not

@manga303

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manga303 wrote: They hate Emu68 right now and see it as Emulation

Well I'm not surprised by that because it emulates the 68K CPU.....

What he is doing will have no negative impact on you so don't know why you seem to be getting so het up over it :-/

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Well I'm not surprised by that because it emulates the 68K CPU.....

technical its recompilation, but yeh... the re-compiler is software, so it can be changed.
it does things to make look like its a real CPU, from a hardware point of view.

and does a little bit more.

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MagicSN wrote: @manga303 For a lot of people it is the right direction.

Define a lot. NXP/Freescale PPC (e.g. PPC e5500/e6500) didn't have "value vs performance".

The end goal of EmuPPC wouldn't result in a competitive PPC hardware since it's a dead end for a mainstream game console in the price range of A500/A1200.

Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony rejected IBM PPC since they are not competitive on the "value vs performance".

Nintendo's Switch 1's quad-core ARM Cortex A57 up to 1785 MHz (1) and Switch 2's octa-core ARM Cortex A78C (2) are the minimum for mainstream gaming devices.

1. Slightly exceeded by RPi 4B/CM4's ARM Cortex A72 on an individual CPU core basis.
2. Near RPi 5's ARM Cortex A76 on an individual CPU core basis.

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EmuPPC will be more efficient/faster as PPC is easier to emulate by a ARM than a 68k. Mandelbrot test calculation runs nearly 50% paster than 68k.

EmuPPC via WarpOS (with 68K AmigaOS 3.x) can have access to PPC ISA's FMA and AltiVec instructions (e.g. https://aminet.net/package/driver/other/SonnetLibrary) that can be remapped into AArach64 ISA equivalent.


I have access to AmigaOS 4.1 FE Update 3 (soft A4000/CyberStorm PPC/1.2 GB RAM/GREX/Voodoo 3 PCI/) and AmigaOS 3.9 (CaffeineOS, mirrors my PiStorm/PiStorm32 setups) via WinUAE 6.01.

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yet another time yet another son legal bitch and idiot start the some shit again

you know where your problem is?

emulator on arm is not as good as android

any sane developer will made software for android instead of emulator on arm

simply because is will take 1/100 time and work to made it

ad allow to earn 100 time more money

so if you want to switch to arm

stop trolling

start working on aros

made it as good as android

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@ppcamiga1

You should be happy. With PPC support, there's finally something reasonable to run those PPC binaries on that isn't a golden ball and chain.

By the sounds of it, the emulation, in particular using a separate core sounds like it might be an excellent way forwards for all those warpos/power up era titles. Especially if the context switching overhead is as minimal as implied.

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@Karlos

I don't expect you or anyone else to get proper answer from ppcamiga1.
perhaps he should not have called mschulz scum...

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@Karlos

This mostly befits MagicSN, it does not befit people invested in the "golden ball" and chain that much. but its great from people owing PiStorm.

Its defensibly is not worse then A1222 from price vs prominence and technical point of view. (even if some might be happy what they got, it was not a good idea.)

On horizon for anyone who is interested in the “ball and chain� we have:

PowerPC laptop project if it ever makes it to market
(doubtful, as has been some issues, that looks like show stoppers)

And then we have the Mirari PowerPC broad, that can be nice replacement for the X1000, and can be relatively inexpensive, to what we are used too.

AmigaONE-X5040 might not be so easy to find by now, and you will pay a lot for it, but its mostly a good computer.

On customer satisfaction I think Acube-systems is on top. And I say its worth getting a Sam460 just for that, if you can find one. It might not be the fastest computer, but it gotten a lot of support over years with new firmware updates regularly.

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My personal view is that, like 68K, PPC is basically dead as a dodo as silicon. You'd have to be off your chump to really conclude otherwise.

Unlike Apple we don't have the resources to treat the hardware architecture as a minor distraction, so for better or worse we are largely stuck with 68K and PPC.

A low cost expansion or standalone based on hardware that is very much still in development that can run both? That's got to be a good thing. People insisting on hardware purity can of course still find their fix elsewhere and best wishes to them. This fetishism, however, does no favours to anyone else having neither the time or bottomless pockets to chase it.

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My personal view is that, like 68K, PPC is basically dead as a dodo as silicon. You'd have to be off your chump to really conclude otherwise.

Well currently QEMU is not as good as real hardware, that might change..
anyway people use real hardware long after WinUAE become popular, even if WinUAE run circles around classic Amiga4000.

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I think that new software appearing faster benefits anyone, not just me. For example to get GemRB running on 68k will take quite some work. If that game appears faster, doesn't that benefit any Amiga fans who like RPGs ?

Right, it does not benefit ideologists. But seriously, I do not care for ideologists ^^

@manga303

AmigaOS 4.1 requires PPC with MMU, hence the QEmu's PPC emulation core with WinUAE.

Emu68 is open source, hence the A314 method could be added. https://github.com/niklasekstrom/a314

At least EmuPPC would be closer to Amiga Forever/WinUAE's PPC support. It's too bad I couldn't recycle my AmigaOS 4.1 FE license for EmuPPC.

Work in progress EmuPPC's "round 3600 MIPS -- about 1.8 PPC instructions executed per ARM CPU cycle" is reasonable.

I recently met up with the SAM4?0 owner in my home city.

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Freescale doesn't have a PPC solution to beat AMD's Soundwave APU, i.e., modern ARM CPUs with RDNA 3.5 iGPU.

AMD's Soundwave APU is similar to Samsung's Exynos 2500 SoC with RDNA 3.0 iGPU.

https://www.techpowerup.com/341848/amd-sound-wave-arm-powered-apu-appears-in-shipping-manifests

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OlafS25 wrote: @manga303 emu68 is open source. Michal does what he likes to do. He is supported by patreon and perhaps users like it or not. Nobody should judge it if it is wise or not

Reading from https://www.patreon.com/posts/one-more-thing-141985279

It looks like adding PPC support (missing PPC MMU) was a low-hanging fruit opportunity for Emu68.

Might as well throw in Emu86 for x86 bridgeboard emulation into the mix. Therefore, any wedge Amiga can experience the "big box" Amiga experience with RTG, PPC (BlizzardPPC for A2000), and X86 bridgeboard. The missing emulation is a Video Toaster.

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He does this because he enjoys it. It is a hobby, not a job.

If you do not like or it angers you how he sets his priorities and which order he works on things or not,
you have my permission to just ignore this project and pretend it does not exist.


Otherwise, regardless how you feel about if PPC emulation is desirable or not, it is a technically impressive achievement. So, good on him.

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