@saimo

No argument to other things, it's clear we don't agree but that's our right

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Ah, wait, last night I realized an incorrect thing has been said and tacitly accepted: it's not true that the AS does not work with Samba (or over a network) in general. As we just said, the AS requirements are that the filesystem(s) involved must offer BLs and allow writing: whether the volumes are inside the case of one's machines or at the other end of the world doesn't make any difference

Yes of course location does not matter (locale or overseas) but here problem lies in Samba good luck to make your BL concept So BL won't (and never will) work with Samba, NFS, etc.

Oh and concerning the cache incoherency maybe the system (be it AppDir or AS) can detect the device is using removable medias and thus can tolerate incoherency longer than for other type of devices.
Anyway cache incoherecy can be normal for some reason and might not force the cache cleaning think to when I go to parties with my A1 that normal my NAS is unaccessible but just because it is for 48 hours does not mean it would be the case forever... Your AS solution definitively has an advantage here effectively because the cache stays on the media itself (as you pointed in the first part of your answer), so that's another advantage of your solution (see I'm even preaching against myself now

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@abalaban

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No argument to other things, it's clear we don't agree but that's our right

Absolutely

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Yes of course location does not matter (locale or overseas) but here problem lies in Samba good luck to make your BL concept So BL won't (and never will) work with Samba, NFS, etc.

Maybe it's just me being ignorant (I use Samba, but only thanks to the Guide for Dummies), but Samba or whatever other sharing system sits on top of the local filesystems, right? BLs should be entirely handled locally... or am I missing something?

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Oh and concerning the cache incoherency maybe the system (be it AppDir or AS) can detect the device is using removable medias and thus can tolerate incoherency longer than for other type of devices. Anyway cache incoherecy can be normal for some reason and might not force the cache cleaning think to when I go to parties with my A1 that normal my NAS is unaccessible but just because it is for 48 hours does not mean it would be the case forever...

Mmm... regarding the AS, the only way to handle that I can think of is having protection bits also for BLs (so probably they'd have to be soft) and allowing the user to uncheck the 'd' bit of the references he wants to preserve.

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@saimo

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Maybe it's just me being ignorant (I use Samba, but only thanks to the Guide for Dummies), but Samba or whatever other sharing system sits on top of the local filesystems, right? BLs should be entirely handled locally... or am I missing something?

I use Samba but in the reverse order : to use folders shared by my NAS from my Amiga (not the reverse as it won't make sense as it's a NAS or to mount my work's laptop when I bring it to home. So gound luck to make Microsoft or Linus Torvald accepting your BL concept so that it's implemented in the local filesystems respectively NTFS and ext3

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@abalaban

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So gound luck to make Microsoft or Linus Torvald accepting your BL concept so that it's implemented in the local filesystems respectively NTFS and ext3

Well, as vidarh told us, MacOS has (something very similar to) them (Aliases), so the concept is already in use somewhere else. And, again, we're talking about a general-purpose feature that might be useful to just any system. Why shouldn't we hope that if a good technology is introduced in our world it might as well spread outside? Do we have always to follow? Shouldn't we hope to lead (again), should we? Of course it's unrealistic to expect instant success. But still...

Back to the matter: as repeatedly said, yes, the AS works only with filesystems that offer BLs, and I'm proposing to implement them in the AmigaOS own filesystems (SFS and JXFS), so, yes, it goes without saying that the AS doesn't work with FAT/EXT3/whatever. The point is that I'm proposing a system for AmigaOS, for people that run applications on AmigaOS: in such context, is the fact that the AS doesn't work in "exotic" cases a deciding factor? A factor that obscures the advantages of the system? In general, the AS has advantages and disadvantages, just like APPDIR: (but also the directory structure of UNIX/Linux/MacOS and so on): if it's bad or APPDIR: is better, sure, let's put it aside. But let's make sure all the aspects are taken into account

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