@hydragon

Current aos4 or morphos does not yet have smp, true. Aos4 multimode support is being done, and e5500 support. Arix has smp. In future all amigalike os's will have smp or they remain retro.

beos is dead. Haiku exist on x86 but I'm not sure if it has any real amigalike stuff...

Anyway, hw first, then the os.

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In future all amigalike os's will have smp or they remain retro.

We don't know if OS4 and MOS will support SMP. Multicore support was mentioned by Solie/Hyperion, but not SMP.
MorphOS team has not made any claims, at least not officially, about SMP/multicore suport4.

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Another T4240 board?

http://www.swissdutch.ch:5999/

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@every one who posted to this thread

OK - I just found out about this forum. Interesting discussion.

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let me put a few facts straight:

the number 650 is the *estimated* cost of bill of materials for a single T4240 card with prototype production volume = 1. Note the majority cost is in DRAM. Draw you own conclusions on volume pricing. Note that cost and price it not the same.

I build a research demonstrator only - I cannot provide information on productization. This demonstrator allows us to eveluate the applicability of the technology to SKA and our own business.

The card form factor is 133mm x 55mm x 7.6mm - taller than a memory DIMM.

A T4240 demonstration system can be bought for less than 1500$, see: digikey

Regards, Ronald

PS: Disclaimer - the above is my own view and not necessarily that of my employer

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Welcome!

@WolfToTheMoon

Not literally SMP, but SomekindofMultiProcessing, there are several ways hoe to treat SW that does not run on multicore environment etc.

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@RonaldGadget,

Welcome aboard . There are a bunch of different folks here and all will like your input if you are who I think you are. Enjoy the chaos that is Amiga users, A slightly splintered group we are.

Chris

@RonaldGadget

Welcome, Ronald

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Yeah, as mentioned before, the target system is planned to be $100,000.
The cheaper development systems look somewhere between an ACube SAM and an X-1000.
Someone would still need to manufacture a motherboard with additional PCIe slots. (e.g. X-5000)

The best news about this is that it furthers the production and development of the Freescale processors.

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@hydragon

I bought multiple versions of BeOS, and absolutely prefer AmigaOS4.

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@logicalheart

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plug the CPU card into, adding PCIe bus and slots, and a lot more features before it could be more than a server appliance.

T4240 is a SoC and contains most everything needed... a host board with a few memory and PCIe slots(plus a few USB and Ethernet ports) is more than enough.
This is actually a pretty neat idea for a small market luke OS4/MorphOS. A board could be made very cheaply and these CPU modules bought from DOME...

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Yes, I corrected my post since the development board does include 2 slots. I expect people would fill those with an audio card, video card I would certainly want more than 2 USB ports. if ACube manufactures something at a lower price (and potentially higher quality), then I think OS4 users would still choose a SAM or X-5000.

If they pursued a contract with Hyperion, they could:
1) Sell a higher number of development boards.
But maybe these are provided at cost, with no profit incentive.

2) Utilize ACube or A-EON for future hardware that would fill the need for both Dome developers and OS4 users as well.

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@logicalheart

I don't see DOME paying Hyperion for a port so contacts should flow the other way.

DOME gets their HW manufactured by IBM, I don't think Acube or A-eon can offer lower prices or better support.

The way I see it, Acube/A-eon could maybe manufacture host motherboards for these CPU cards.

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In the DOME uServer project we have had our prototype boards manufactured by smaller companies in the Netherlands and UK. I work in the research division where we have freedom to make such decisions.

One of the key milestones for me was the ability to run Fedora 17 on the P5020/P5040 and T4240 (Currently working on installing F20).

I started working with Freescale development systems (P5020DS, P5040DS, T4240QDS and a few weeks ago the T4240RDB) to do the SW bringup before we built any HW.

There are links to various development systems on my website which is actually running on a Freescale imx6 running F20....

Cheers -- Ronald

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@hydragon

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look man I am not in the mood for this,try to be constructive.

Well I'm trying to be, I have seen so many people coming here with there ultimate solution. I'm getting tired of it.

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Even Commodore planned to ditch Amiga compatibility back in time

It was not Commodore who Invested Amiga, Commodore made many poor decisions resulted in bankruptcy and loosing market share. Not a example of how to run a business.

BeOS was once a new OS, it was not bad OS, maybe it should have become AmigaOS at one time, but it did not, the same is also true for MorphOS,

ESCOM
BeOS was nick named "Amiga 96", but ESCOM also went bankrupt in 1996.

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/viscorp.html
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/visglory.html

ESCOM also worked on a new computer Walker, and worked on upgraded AmigaOS.

http://www.blachford.info/computer/walker/walker_working_more.html

Amiga Inc desition to maybe use BeOS, or maybe use QNX, or maybe use MorphOS, they create there own Amiga Development PC running Linux and there Amiga DE, (Java like platform), Amiga Inc was hyperactive they made a lot of mess, sub licensing Amiga name to New company Commodore USA, Commodore USA disappeared after CEO Berry died, AmigaXL was UAE running on QNX, this might have been what a BeOS equivalent might have been as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_USA

They managed to get AmigaOS3.5 and AmigaOS3.9 developed by working with Hagge&Partner, Hagge&Partner disappeared from Amiga Market after a disagreement with Amiga Inc.

Hyperion did take over the development under a buy back agreement, but did not want to sell it back to Amiga Inc, Amiga Inc when also bankrupt a few times during that time, the costs of court case pilled up and it ended with settlement, where Hyperion ended up with right to distribute and develop the OS and use brands they where using at the time. The Amiga Inc kept the name “Amiga” as they where selling mobile games using Amiga DE.

Shore you can look back on all that might have been or should have been, but you can't change anything that has already happened.

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Without knowing full specs of the CPU module.
It's interface to system board most likely does not connect all SoC features to mainboards (PCIe or two, 10Gbit ethernets etc.). So the module might be pretty cost inefficient for a desktop computer / only half sane for high end system.

So, I think main interest would/could be possible co-operation in designing T4240 based desktop computer.

@related
Another interesting HW: http://edality.by/news/new-development-qoriq-som
(to me it seems Freescale is now slipping in low end QorIQ schedules annoyingly)

UPDATE: small fix of the link

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@KimmoK

Did you mean this?

http://edality.by/news/new-development-qoriq-som

The possibility to interchange the modules is interesting.

Can't wait to see the Cyrus board that will be upgradable to use a quad core.

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"Cyrus board that will be upgradable"

It's not upgradeable.

You must choose with what CPU you want it with and the CPU/SoC is soldered on board.
(+IMHO P3041 is not sane option, I would prefer P5010, P5020, P5040 options, skipping the e500mc core SoC)

offtopic, but from walker working link.... IIRC, it was said in early 2000 that kickstart ROM sources were lost when CBM died, I wonder if walker ROM was done from scratch then... or was the code lost after ESCOM?
(as kickstart ROM for AOS3.9 would have been nice to have, to circumvent the need to do the extra boot after 3.1 is patched during boot)

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Not upgradable, sorry.

As you said you can choose the processor.

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@KimmoK

What's wrong with the e500mc?

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