Just saw their FAQ is now online, at: http://www.troikang.com/faq.html

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Q. What's a Troika? "The sum of one and one and one", "A modern Russian...alliance". Q Why only 33mhz on PCI? The onboard devices on Amy'05 only support 33 MHz/32 bit operation. Q Can't one PCI slot be run at 66mhz? As the onboard devices run @ 33 MHz, all devices on the PCI bus must run at the lowest common speed, in this case 33 MHz. To support 66MHz operation would require a bridge chip,and a small reconfiguration of the TSI107. Q What capacity of power supply will Amy need? Amy'05 has been designed to work with the ITX recommendation of a minimum 60W supply when using a lower power graphics solution. Amy'05 will use around 15W in normal operation. Q Why don't you add AGP to the system? There are precisely 2 PPC northbridges available to buy, today that support AGP, the MAI Articia S and the IBM CPC 925. Setting the MAI part aside, the CPC 925 can only work with the IBM PPC 970/FX and as such is of no use to us. Q What is the price of the Amy'05 motherboard? The price of Amy'05 is dependent upon country: local taxes, shipping etc. We released a highly cautious, conservative estimate of less than £400 in the UK . Amy'05 will be priced for high volume production and availability. We can manufacture Amy'05 in Asia, the US , or Mexico, and ship worldwide from the US or Canada. Depending on volume, hypothetically Amy'05 could retail at an estimated price of $400 US which of course would greatly reduce the price in other currencies (such as Euro or Sterling ).

I'll take 2 @ $499USD, please

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@wegster

Yeah, thanks for the info.. I just posted as much in the other Poll thread. It does sound like they have high volume production in mind for these boards. That would certainly be a big welcome, and like you, I've got two PC's here and I'm sure that both would get replaced with the Amy 05.

Great news, even if we do have to take a little less on the PCI bus speed. Oh, and note that last line... it could come in as low as $400 US if the volume is high enough.

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The most asked question was of course not answered though.. The question i am reffering to is about OS4 license..

@Tomas

I'm sure that they would not be putting this much effort and money into a project if they didn't have a license, or at least have it in the works. Hyperion have already announced that this board was coming, so that indicates there are communications happening about the subject.

BTW, why is it so important for them to answer that question?

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@Tomas

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Tomas wrote: The most asked question was of course not answered though.. The question i am reffering to is about OS4 license..

And I would say - if it comes out (which is a relatively short time if the timeline is to be believed), and you can buy OS4 that runs on it, be happy. If not, don't buy it.

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It is intended to be a low cost, legacy free system aimed at the embedded/home server market running versions of Linux and the Amiga OS4 operating system.

And you may want to note Hyperion listed as a partner here

Do you think if OS4 was not going to happen on this board, Hyperion would allow them to leave the 'partner' link up?

I would wager there is a valid business reason for what is or what is not said, and whatever it is, if there is one, is not our concern. You have the options listed above- buy it...or don't.

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I missed this somewhere, but what is the projected timeline for an actual product hitting
the market?

C Snyder

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At $400 I'll definately buy one if I'm not broke at the time. I probably spent close to that on my A4K once I added all the goodies in.

If os4 does run on it, then even i would probably consider buying it at $400. £400 would be a bit on the expensive side for me though...

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We can manufacture Amy'05 in Asia, the US , or Mexico, and ship worldwide from the US or Canada. Depending on volume, hypothetically Amy'05 could retail at an estimated price of $400 US which of course would greatly reduce the price in other currencies (such as Euro or Sterling ).

I hope they can achieve the price of 400$. They would sell LOTS of boards here in Europe.

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wegster wrote: Just saw their FAQ is now online, at: http://www.troikang.com/faq.html Current contents: Quote: Q Why don't you add AGP to the system? There are precisely 2 PPC northbridges available to buy, today that support AGP, the MAI Articia S and the IBM CPC 925. Setting the MAI part aside, the CPC 925 can only work with the IBM PPC 970/FX and as such is of no use to us.

Hi wegster,


You asked why I'm dissatified with ibm?? Hmmmm, AGP we want? Naaaahhh, who needs it? We could always use PCI-E.

Then there's being forced to buy ECC Reg ram which is always more expensive than reg ram. (reg meaning regular, ordinary, common, easy to find,low cost, ram.)

But, ibm has a dream, magically people will be able to buy super sophisticed bug free controller chips from 3 million dollar engineering firms the world over who will easily do these layouts, and output them in mass quantities for all to be jubilant over how fantastic it is to buy expensive PPC chips and therefore hardware that are perpetually 1+GHz behind intel and AMD's offerings and always late to production to boot, with really only constant more press announcements of future kick @ss speeds and core powers but no product whatsoever to come......


P.S. My apologies for the smarmy reply, it's directed at ibum.

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wegster wrote: Just saw their FAQ is now online, at: http://www.troikang.com/faq.html Current contents: Quote: Q What is the price of the Amy'05 motherboard? The price of Amy'05 is dependent upon country: local taxes, shipping etc. We released a highly cautious, conservative estimate of less than £400 in the UK . Amy'05 will be priced for high volume production and availability. We can manufacture Amy'05 in Asia, the US , or Mexico, and ship worldwide from the US or Canada. Depending on volume, hypothetically Amy'05 could retail at an estimated price of $400 US which of course would greatly reduce the price in other currencies (such as Euro or Sterling ). I'll take 2 @ $499USD, please

Hi wegster,

WT#%%$^@???!!!!

At that price ($400US, 46927 Canadian), the money I'm supposed to be getting, I could 2 gigs for my current A1 G4 XE (return the borrowed ram), buy FOUR of them, AND would ONLY be able to deck 2 of them out with all of the bells and whistles!!!!!


P.S. Didn't read post to end, before I replied in previous post.

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Tomas wrote: The most asked question was of course not answered though.. The question i am reffering to is about OS4 license..

Hi Tomas,

I asked if a RAID driver could be written for Amy 05, and Rogue replied that they could, that was good enough for me.


I WAS TICKLED PINK!!!!!!!

@Atheist

Thanks for the update. Interesting project. We'll see when a prototype is revealed..

and for the love of all that is sane I hope they do_Not_use ANY Articia chip.

realize

> AGP - exactly 2 , expensive memory

What about PCI-X bus on Tundra TSI108 and TSI108A (dual G4 CPU)?
TSI108 and TSI108A support DDR2-400 SDRAM

Why troika use TSI107, not the TSI108 or TSI108A chipsets?

http://www.tundra.com/Products/PowerPC/Tsi108/index.cfm

http://www.tundra.com/Products/PowerPC/Tsi108A/index.cfm

What about designing high end Tundra SOC with financial support from Business Development Bank of Canada (BDC) or Canada Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC)?

@Tomas

On their contact page look at their partners, GM and Hyperion. I think that is a hint.

ace

@asian

Because the 108chip will cost 100$/chip in low volumes

@Thread

IMHO, we should stop talking about it until they announce they have a licence for OS4. No, Wegster a link doesn't mean they have the licence.

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@all:

Wondering myself about prices and that, i've been reading the specs for both the TSI107 and TSI 108/A and i've noticed that the latter does have 2 channel 10/100/Gigabit network controllers included in the chip,so it *might* allow keeping the price even down,removing that RTL8110 addittional chipset plus wiring,(Note: i'm not aware of the prices of both Northbridges nor the RTL chip myself,so i could be speaking non-sense).

Maybe the people involved in troika might know the answer to this.

is really the TSI107 + RTL8110 + dessign cheaper than TSI108A + dessign?

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On their contact page look at their partners, GM and Hyperion. I think that is a hint.

You mean that's a hint that they do not have a licence because there is no link to Amiga Inc.?

@thread

For what it's worth, Freescale just released a nice application note for integrating UBoot, the TSI108 and the MC7448 in the HPC II . They even have a sample motherboard design done as well.

Of course, you can't yet buy the 7448. Did anyone notice that Freescale just pushed back the release dates of the 8641 chips? Now they are 2H/2006. Sigh...