Two new sam systems
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news

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@AmigaBlitter

omg. i really thought some actual development has taken place..

@wawa

I found interesting that there some sort of demand for these boards.
As entry level system is very good.

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@wawa

Another interesting fact to note is that there are now 7 complete system in stock at acube.

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AmigaBlitter wrote: I found interesting that there some sort of demand for these boards.

It just seems ACube are offering an all-in-one version to because they hope to generate some demand.


If they would have offered a new version of the Sam440 board, tailored for the embedded market, it would have looked as if there is some market outside the shrinking "Amiga Community".

This just looks like they are selling old fish in new packages.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@AmigaBlitter

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As entry level system is very good.

Is it? I find quite the opposite

550 euros + VAT(21%) is 665 euros + 150 euros for OS4 and that equals 815 euros. Add keyboard and mouse and a cheap monitor and it's around 1000 euros.

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@WolfToTheMoon

Yeah, but if you compare it to rest of A1 systems, it does sound kinda cheap... and if you compare it to CUSA Amiga Mini it looks like a bargain :P

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@Arko

But I think it is their embedded market board, being put in desktop case and sold to Amigans.

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550 Euros for a low-volume complete system? That's good value, actually. We're not talking about commodity PCs that sell in their millions here.

As an entry-level machine for OS4 that's a very sensible price.

@Spirantho

It's 815 euros... when you add VAT and an OS4 license fee.

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@Spirantho

rip off the screen on the comming netbook, and you will have a better server for the price.. i think your moneys is better spentiff you take an netbook for the same money, i wish the sam 440 was been outdated and discontiniued and the 460 has taking its place and a new 470 or 480 board was ready and a hole 3 other board was on its way

i am locking forward to see aeon's other hardware projekts...
and lets get some freaking info on that netbook..

@retro

OpenGl in OS 4.2 with a Radeon HD graphics card will allow some zip in the performance of the Sam440ep and Sam460ep machines.This will result in greatly enhanced performance on the same hardware.The new Sam440ep flex options should prove to be a good offer .

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@WolfToTheMoon

Don't forget we are talking about Amiga market.

we currently have 3 main market segment (4 actually, if we count in classic).

low end systems (classic expanded) and sam.

midlle systems (amigaone 500)

high end systems (amigaone x1000)

the lowest price you can find are the sam systems.

669 euro + vat is a complete system. Still too much, yes, but it's a good price for a niche market.

if you want to get a classic expanded system, you have to pay for a refurbished a1200 or 4000, an high priced expansion ppc card, video card, hard disk, dvd rom, ram, and so on...

I wish to have low price system, but actually is not possibile.

i agree that company involved in Amiga development should definitively addredd this problem.

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@WolfToTheMoon

The OS4 license fee is irrelevant. On any machine you need to buy an OS - Hyperion have put a ton of work into OS4, of course it's not free. Windows and MacOS and I believe MorphOS all cost more than AmigaOS 4 - it's only AROS that's Amiga-like and cheaper, and that benefits from massive economies of scale because it uses PCs.

The speed of a Sam next to a PC is also irrelevant - of course it's going to be slower, that's not the issue. The issue is that it's specialised hardware - if you buy a specialised PC you also have to pay above the odds.

I stand by what I said - 550 Euros is a good price for what is a low volume, specialised system, and let's not forget that it's a lot cheaper than big box Amigas were under Commodore, and they were slow compared to PCs then too.

@Spirantho

dont forget amiga you are talking about was one of the major (home) computer platforms of its time with available wide and unique software base that might justify the price if someone felt it too high. personally i remember it to have really moderate entry offer, and thats why i bought into it. however the price discussion today has no relevance as the community dwindle moving personal expectations so far apart that there is no reasonable target audience to address. the customers will vote with the wallets. i for my part vote: no.. i dont even see what is there essentially new about this offer.

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@wawa

I can see your point, but in 1992 the era of the PC was already beginning, the A4000 was already out of date and expensive. Thing is we're spoiled these days because technology is so cheap - but we need to be careful not to forget the Amiga market is completely different to the near-ubiquitous PC market. The processor alone probably costs more than a PC's motherboard and processor put together. Factor in the low volume of production (= high costs), and then the R+D time, I still think the price is a good one.

I do agree with one thing, though - there isn't anything essentially new about this offer... but I don't think there's meant to be. It's kind of like when the A1200 line was expanded with the A1200HD - not a major change, just another flavour that you might like - or not.

@wawa

It cost me about Euro742.00 3 years ago for a Sam440ep-Flex 800mhz,1GB of ram and OS 4.1 .
The size of the case and the strength of the power supply being offered tell me what
Acube may have in mind. I think that when we get public demo's of OS4.2 graphics performance on the various hardware options the value in this Sam440ep offer will begin to be clearer to you .

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and I believe MorphOS all cost more than AmigaOS 4

Interesting beliefs but this is not a portal about religion, is it? Why don't you check the facts like license costs? In real world, you can get 3-4 machines with a MorphOS license forthe 550 euros you mention in your post (faster than your system, too). But feel free to stick to your religion...

@jacadcaps

I actually have MorphOS as well as AmigaOS and AROS. Just because I use AmigaOS doesn't mean I don't respect the others - please don't tarnish me with the same brush as the red or blue fanatics.
The cost of MorphOS was until recently 150 Euros, and the price of AmigaOS 4 is �120, which is roughly the same.

I'm not sure why you compare the price of the entire system to the price of just a MorphOS key...?

@Spirantho

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The cost of MorphOS was until recently 150 Euros

No it wasn't? It's been 111,11 Euros since version 2.5 (and that would be June 2010), and even better "recently" (down to 79 for PowerMacs and Pegasos boards, or even 49 Euros for Efika).